Just for fun... 2021 PDK GT4 OR 2021 Audi RWD R8
03-08-2021, 12:42 AM
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Just for fun... 2021 PDK GT4 OR 2021 Audi RWD R8
I test drove the RWD R8 today and I was pretty impressed. Very quick car. I know very little about the R8 though and how it feels at 9/10ths compared to the 718 GT4.
Anyone have seat time in both?
Anyone have seat time in both?
03-08-2021, 12:53 AM
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03-08-2021, 02:01 AM
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The GT4 is more of a track tool that can be enjoyed on the road whereas the R8 is a baby supercar you can take to the track on the odd occasion. The V10 is superb even in the somewhat downtuned state (I suspect there's software to unlock a lot more power)
The R8 is the superior car.
I just don't like what Audi did with the styling and it doesn't tickle me in the same way a GT Porsche does. So it's totally a matter of taste and personal preference.
The R8 is the superior car.
I just don't like what Audi did with the styling and it doesn't tickle me in the same way a GT Porsche does. So it's totally a matter of taste and personal preference.
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03-08-2021, 02:20 AM
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The GT4 is more of a track tool that can be enjoyed on the road whereas the R8 is a baby supercar you can take to the track on the odd occasion. The V10 is superb even in the somewhat downtuned state (I suspect there's software to unlock a lot more power)
The R8 is the superior car.
I just don't like what Audi did with the styling and it doesn't tickle me in the same way a GT Porsche does. So it's totally a matter of taste and personal preference.
The R8 is the superior car.
I just don't like what Audi did with the styling and it doesn't tickle me in the same way a GT Porsche does. So it's totally a matter of taste and personal preference.
Thanks for the insight. What are your thoughts on the fixed dampers in the R8? The RWD version doesn't come with magnaride, only the fixed dampers. They felt great to me just on the test drive ve, but have no clue how good they are when driven hard and near the limits.
03-08-2021, 02:32 AM
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I'm extrapolating a bit here as I've driven many R8s as a reviewer and have read what others are saying, but I haven't driven the latest RWD. I don't think you'll find them lacking on track at all, and they'll be predictable and intuitive due to being passive. I would take them over the adaptive ones any day of the week.
But Audi makes sure about road comfort first, so if you put on the stickiest R-comps you can find and push it to within an inch of its life on track, it may tend to be a bit soft. Then again you could say that even about the GT4. You'd nearly always want a car to be stiffer for the track it's just that there's a limit to how much you can get away with and still have an acceptable road car.
The R8 is a genuine bargain for what you're getting (basically 90% of a Lambo but with decent headroom and minus the look at me! factor) which is why it appeals to my rational brain first.
But Audi makes sure about road comfort first, so if you put on the stickiest R-comps you can find and push it to within an inch of its life on track, it may tend to be a bit soft. Then again you could say that even about the GT4. You'd nearly always want a car to be stiffer for the track it's just that there's a limit to how much you can get away with and still have an acceptable road car.
The R8 is a genuine bargain for what you're getting (basically 90% of a Lambo but with decent headroom and minus the look at me! factor) which is why it appeals to my rational brain first.
03-08-2021, 08:38 AM
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I have owned two R8 , 2017 V10 plus , and 2020 Spyder performance . They are great cars and they don't get a lot of love here for some reason ... They handle very well , engine sound is great , the interior is great, also DSG is quick .Ride is softer than GT cars
Gt4 is a different car
I think you can't go wrong with either
Gt4 is a different car
I think you can't go wrong with either
03-08-2021, 01:47 PM
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It depends on what you want. They are very different cars. There are factory race car versions of each which are not far removed from the street car versions.
Traction control on the RWS engages very early. It's set up for your typical driver, but can be turned off.
RWS will be significantly faster. Seating position is horrible for me. Much, much less storage space if that matters. Steering a bit light, artificial and numb.
Sound is glorious.
Even in Scottsdale where supercars roam the streets, the R8 gets absurd amounts of attention.
It's a wide car with crazy long doors. Can make parking a challenge.
The RWS handles better than the AWD versions. And weighs less although it's still a porker.
Can be daily driven if you can live with the compromises.
The GT4 will have sharper, more precise handling. Albeit not as fast as the RWS. I think it's more fun as you can get closer to the limit at less insane speeds.
Way more storage space in the GT4. Steering is better sorted and more precise. Manual is still an option if that matters.
Porsche PDK is slightly better than the Audi S-tronic. Still the king of the dual clutch autos.
Seating position is far better for me.
GT4 gets no more attention than any other Porsche. Around here that means it's almost unnoticed.
Much smaller and more nimble car. Easier to live with on a daily basis.
Neither is a bad choice. Just need to figure out which works best for your use.
I've owned an R8 V8, R8 V10 and R8 RWS. Kept my 981 GT4 longer than all three R8's combined.
Traction control on the RWS engages very early. It's set up for your typical driver, but can be turned off.
RWS will be significantly faster. Seating position is horrible for me. Much, much less storage space if that matters. Steering a bit light, artificial and numb.
Sound is glorious.
Even in Scottsdale where supercars roam the streets, the R8 gets absurd amounts of attention.
It's a wide car with crazy long doors. Can make parking a challenge.
The RWS handles better than the AWD versions. And weighs less although it's still a porker.
Can be daily driven if you can live with the compromises.
The GT4 will have sharper, more precise handling. Albeit not as fast as the RWS. I think it's more fun as you can get closer to the limit at less insane speeds.
Way more storage space in the GT4. Steering is better sorted and more precise. Manual is still an option if that matters.
Porsche PDK is slightly better than the Audi S-tronic. Still the king of the dual clutch autos.
Seating position is far better for me.
GT4 gets no more attention than any other Porsche. Around here that means it's almost unnoticed.
Much smaller and more nimble car. Easier to live with on a daily basis.
Neither is a bad choice. Just need to figure out which works best for your use.
I've owned an R8 V8, R8 V10 and R8 RWS. Kept my 981 GT4 longer than all three R8's combined.
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03-08-2021, 04:02 PM
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I have owned two R8 , 2017 V10 plus , and 2020 Spyder performance . They are great cars and they don't get a lot of love here for some reason ... They handle very well , engine sound is great , the interior is great, also DSG is quick .Ride is softer than GT cars
Gt4 is a different car
I think you can't go wrong with either
Gt4 is a different car
I think you can't go wrong with either
Thank you sir for the info.
03-08-2021, 04:05 PM
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It depends on what you want. They are very different cars. There are factory race car versions of each which are not far removed from the street car versions.
Traction control on the RWS engages very early. It's set up for your typical driver, but can be turned off.
RWS will be significantly faster. Seating position is horrible for me. Much, much less storage space if that matters. Steering a bit light, artificial and numb.
Sound is glorious.
Even in Scottsdale where supercars roam the streets, the R8 gets absurd amounts of attention.
It's a wide car with crazy long doors. Can make parking a challenge.
The RWS handles better than the AWD versions. And weighs less although it's still a porker.
Can be daily driven if you can live with the compromises.
The GT4 will have sharper, more precise handling. Albeit not as fast as the RWS. I think it's more fun as you can get closer to the limit at less insane speeds.
Way more storage space in the GT4. Steering is better sorted and more precise. Manual is still an option if that matters.
Porsche PDK is slightly better than the Audi S-tronic. Still the king of the dual clutch autos.
Seating position is far better for me.
GT4 gets no more attention than any other Porsche. Around here that means it's almost unnoticed.
Much smaller and more nimble car. Easier to live with on a daily basis.
Neither is a bad choice. Just need to figure out which works best for your use.
I've owned an R8 V8, R8 V10 and R8 RWS. Kept my 981 GT4 longer than all three R8's combined.
Traction control on the RWS engages very early. It's set up for your typical driver, but can be turned off.
RWS will be significantly faster. Seating position is horrible for me. Much, much less storage space if that matters. Steering a bit light, artificial and numb.
Sound is glorious.
Even in Scottsdale where supercars roam the streets, the R8 gets absurd amounts of attention.
It's a wide car with crazy long doors. Can make parking a challenge.
The RWS handles better than the AWD versions. And weighs less although it's still a porker.
Can be daily driven if you can live with the compromises.
The GT4 will have sharper, more precise handling. Albeit not as fast as the RWS. I think it's more fun as you can get closer to the limit at less insane speeds.
Way more storage space in the GT4. Steering is better sorted and more precise. Manual is still an option if that matters.
Porsche PDK is slightly better than the Audi S-tronic. Still the king of the dual clutch autos.
Seating position is far better for me.
GT4 gets no more attention than any other Porsche. Around here that means it's almost unnoticed.
Much smaller and more nimble car. Easier to live with on a daily basis.
Neither is a bad choice. Just need to figure out which works best for your use.
I've owned an R8 V8, R8 V10 and R8 RWS. Kept my 981 GT4 longer than all three R8's combined.
My plan is still the PDK GT4 , I am just getting back up plans together, just in case the allocation game continues or Porsche tries to pulls a "limited" 2022 build on the GT4.
Right now, Plan B & C (in no particular order) are the upcoming C8 Z06 or the Audi RWD R8.
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03-08-2021, 04:23 PM
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Even if not as athletic as a GT4... at least you get that sound. Who knows if there will be another V10 Audi in the future.
03-08-2021, 07:18 PM
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Was really close to buying an R8, but the setting position and lack of storage did it in for me.
03-09-2021, 06:53 AM
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Having owned a gen 2 R8 and spyder i would say if manual get the gt4, if pdk get the R8.
R8 trans is way better than the pdk, i would liken it to the gt3 rs pdk-s. Its on another level. That manual gt4 is a much more engaging car though. And it feels like a race car which the R8 certainly does not.
The things I didnt like about the R8 (v10 plus) are the sofa seats (kill the sportiness/no lateral support), paddle shifters need swapping out (unacceptable), gear ratios are too short (you need to retrain your brain in manual mode), and the non mag ride suspension is brutal. That said, I would take an R8 with buckets over the pdk gt4 7 days a week and twice on sunday.
R8 trans is way better than the pdk, i would liken it to the gt3 rs pdk-s. Its on another level. That manual gt4 is a much more engaging car though. And it feels like a race car which the R8 certainly does not.
The things I didnt like about the R8 (v10 plus) are the sofa seats (kill the sportiness/no lateral support), paddle shifters need swapping out (unacceptable), gear ratios are too short (you need to retrain your brain in manual mode), and the non mag ride suspension is brutal. That said, I would take an R8 with buckets over the pdk gt4 7 days a week and twice on sunday.
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03-09-2021, 12:41 PM
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Having owned a gen 2 R8 and spyder i would say if manual get the gt4, if pdk get the R8.
R8 trans is way better than the pdk, i would liken it to the gt3 rs pdk-s. Its on another level. That manual gt4 is a much more engaging car though. And it feels like a race car which the R8 certainly does not.
The things I didnt like about the R8 (v10 plus) are the sofa seats (kill the sportiness/no lateral support), paddle shifters need swapping out (unacceptable), gear ratios are too short (you need to retrain your brain in manual mode), and the non mag ride suspension is brutal. That said, I would take an R8 with buckets over the pdk gt4 7 days a week and twice on sunday.
R8 trans is way better than the pdk, i would liken it to the gt3 rs pdk-s. Its on another level. That manual gt4 is a much more engaging car though. And it feels like a race car which the R8 certainly does not.
The things I didnt like about the R8 (v10 plus) are the sofa seats (kill the sportiness/no lateral support), paddle shifters need swapping out (unacceptable), gear ratios are too short (you need to retrain your brain in manual mode), and the non mag ride suspension is brutal. That said, I would take an R8 with buckets over the pdk gt4 7 days a week and twice on sunday.
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03-09-2021, 12:56 PM
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The GT4's shift speed is already pretty much instant relative to our perception, and it's impressively smart in its gear selection strategy when left on its own. How could a transmission be better than that? I'm curious what makes the R8's DCT so much better than the GT4 PDK.
i will say sport pdk auto program is much more agressive tho unless you are actually
on track. Then its similar
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03-09-2021, 01:02 PM
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The GT4's shift speed is already pretty much instant relative to our perception, and it's impressively smart in its gear selection strategy when left on its own. How could a transmission be better than that? I'm curious what makes the R8's DCT so much better than the GT4 PDK.