Is the 718 GT4 underpowered
10-23-2020, 02:41 PM
#32
We have dyno tested a few stock cars, vary between 405 - 415hp in stock form
Stock for stock the 718 GT4 is absolutely no faster in a straight line below ~120mph than a 981 GT4 however the 718 GT4 has absolutely huge potential with relatively simple changes to the exhaust
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Stock for stock the 718 GT4 is absolutely no faster in a straight line below ~120mph than a 981 GT4 however the 718 GT4 has absolutely huge potential with relatively simple changes to the exhaust
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10-23-2020, 03:43 PM
#35
I have my money down on a GT4 for European delivery this spring. This would be my first Porsche, nevertheless I've been a little worried that it might be underpowered. I drive now an M3 CS that is pretty aggressive with 450 HP and 445 lb/ft of torque. The reason I looked at the GT4 is that I'm looking for something lighter and more sporty for track use. Despite the very positive motor journalist reviews, I've noticed some people complaining that this new engine doesn't rev freely and is not that special. I also saw a video with a GT4 owner driving an M2 CS which he said seemed to have more power, I assume it's the torque from the turbo. To sum up, I wanted to buy a car with a special NA engine, and I'd rather buy a used GT3 if this GT4 engine is not that special and underpowered. Thoughts?
10-23-2020, 03:49 PM
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If at Road America 140+ MPH going into turn 1 after climbing the hill out of turn 14 isn’t fast enough, but that was in damp conditions; exit velocity out of 14 was a little slow; and lifting gas just past the pit exit before the access road, a bit early for turn 1. My guess is closer to 155 MPH next year.
So yes, if that’s not fast enough for you, save up for a GT3 RS then.
So yes, if that’s not fast enough for you, save up for a GT3 RS then.
10-23-2020, 03:57 PM
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10-23-2020, 05:21 PM
#38
There's is no comparison between the two cars, very different cars.....yes the M3 has lots of torque down low and is fast in a straight line but the GT4 felt superior and was a better, well balance package.
I really don't enjoy the M3 at the track as I did the GT4.....the suspension and steering on the GT4 is far superior and a joy.
Now if you are looking at numbers only then the GT4 may sound a bit "soft", which is not and does feel special with a N/A engine.
I really don't enjoy the M3 at the track as I did the GT4.....the suspension and steering on the GT4 is far superior and a joy.
Now if you are looking at numbers only then the GT4 may sound a bit "soft", which is not and does feel special with a N/A engine.
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phefner (10-23-2020)
10-23-2020, 05:51 PM
#40
A car that can take you from zero to arrested in 8 or 9 seconds is not slow or underpowered.
On public roads, I have at least as much fun in my three-generations-old 235 hp BMW sedan as I do my GT4. I can wind it out down an on-ramp and still remain below the reckless driving threshold, instead of straight-to-jail speeds before the merge point (as in 130+ mph...purely hypothetical, of course...
).
And on the track? Best be turning consistent numbers in something that's actually slow before rambling on about power.
On public roads, I have at least as much fun in my three-generations-old 235 hp BMW sedan as I do my GT4. I can wind it out down an on-ramp and still remain below the reckless driving threshold, instead of straight-to-jail speeds before the merge point (as in 130+ mph...purely hypothetical, of course...
).And on the track? Best be turning consistent numbers in something that's actually slow before rambling on about power.
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phefner (10-23-2020)
10-23-2020, 06:52 PM
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A car that can take you from zero to arrested in 8 or 9 seconds is not slow or underpowered.
On public roads, I have at least as much fun in my three-generations-old 235 hp BMW sedan as I do my GT4. I can wind it out down an on-ramp and still remain below the reckless driving threshold, instead of straight-to-jail speeds before the merge point (as in 130+ mph...purely hypothetical, of course... ).
And on the track? Best be turning consistent numbers in something that's actually slow before rambling on about power.
On public roads, I have at least as much fun in my three-generations-old 235 hp BMW sedan as I do my GT4. I can wind it out down an on-ramp and still remain below the reckless driving threshold, instead of straight-to-jail speeds before the merge point (as in 130+ mph...purely hypothetical, of course...
).And on the track? Best be turning consistent numbers in something that's actually slow before rambling on about power.
I'm not a stranger to big motor, high HP European and American rides, I've had plenty of those over the years too. They just didn't scratch the itch the way Porsche's have for the last 43 years.
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akhbhaat (10-24-2020)
10-23-2020, 07:48 PM
#42
I couldn't agree more. My 265HP 986S provided 10 years of smiles then my 330HP 981 BGTS gave me another 5 years of smiles and embarrassed a number of hot rods in the process in the twisties. I expect my 414HP Spyder to give me more of the same.
I'm not a stranger to big motor, high HP European and American rides, I've had plenty of those over the years too. They just didn't scratch the itch the way Porsche's have for the last 43 years.
I'm not a stranger to big motor, high HP European and American rides, I've had plenty of those over the years too. They just didn't scratch the itch the way Porsche's have for the last 43 years.
10-23-2020, 08:14 PM
#43
There is such a thing as too fast to be fun, and here's what I mean......
The thrill of acceleration has to be of sufficient intensity and SUFFICIENT DURATION for maximum enjoyment. If you happen to be at an airstrip, and can just keep going and going in your modded 911 turbo S, then fine. However, for the real world, where your acceleration runs will be brief and may top out at 60-90mph, a car that does it too quickly just won't impart a thrill of sufficient duration to your body or brain. The fun will be over way too quickly. I think the sweet spot is a car that does 0-60 in the upper 3s. This is fast enough to impart a real acceleration sensation, but long enough for the acceleration sensation to actually last an enjoyable amount of time at speeds that won't kill you on public roads.
Hope this makes sense.
The thrill of acceleration has to be of sufficient intensity and SUFFICIENT DURATION for maximum enjoyment. If you happen to be at an airstrip, and can just keep going and going in your modded 911 turbo S, then fine. However, for the real world, where your acceleration runs will be brief and may top out at 60-90mph, a car that does it too quickly just won't impart a thrill of sufficient duration to your body or brain. The fun will be over way too quickly. I think the sweet spot is a car that does 0-60 in the upper 3s. This is fast enough to impart a real acceleration sensation, but long enough for the acceleration sensation to actually last an enjoyable amount of time at speeds that won't kill you on public roads.
Hope this makes sense.
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Pcar81 (10-25-2020)
10-23-2020, 08:16 PM
#44
I totally agree, I even enjoy driving my daily a 2017 GTI!!
I appreciate everyone that replied to my question and did not follow some people advice about not responding to first time posters ludicrous questions.
I think some people have misunderstood my question and thought that I'm trying to compare a Porsche with a BMW. I'm not and honestly if you really enjoy driving, the brand really doesn't matter. It's all about if the car give you that excitement and rush sensation. Everyone gets his car fix differently. For me it is very important that my weekend car feels a bit special, raw and has an element of danger. I'm an intermediate track driver and have a lot to learn, but if I spent a $120K on a track car. I want a car that will challenge and excite me for few years. This is why I'm asking if it's better to get a used 991 GT3. The GT4 is a great car no doubt, but is it worth 120k+ in performance?
I appreciate everyone that replied to my question and did not follow some people advice about not responding to first time posters ludicrous questions.
I think some people have misunderstood my question and thought that I'm trying to compare a Porsche with a BMW. I'm not and honestly if you really enjoy driving, the brand really doesn't matter. It's all about if the car give you that excitement and rush sensation. Everyone gets his car fix differently. For me it is very important that my weekend car feels a bit special, raw and has an element of danger. I'm an intermediate track driver and have a lot to learn, but if I spent a $120K on a track car. I want a car that will challenge and excite me for few years. This is why I'm asking if it's better to get a used 991 GT3. The GT4 is a great car no doubt, but is it worth 120k+ in performance?
10-23-2020, 08:21 PM
#45
I totally agree, I even enjoy driving my daily a 2017 GTI!!
I appreciate everyone that replied to my question and did not follow some people advice about not responding to first time posters ludicrous questions.
I think some people have misunderstood my question and thought that I'm trying to compare a Porsche with a BMW. I'm not and honestly if you really enjoy driving, the brand really doesn't matter. It's all about if the car give you that excitement and rush sensation. Everyone gets his car fix differently. For me it is very important that my weekend car feels a bit special, raw and has an element of danger. I'm an intermediate track driver and have a lot to learn, but if I spent a $120K on a track car. I want a car that will challenge and excite me for few years. This is why I'm asking if it's better to get a used 991 GT3. The GT4 is a great car no doubt, but is it worth 120k+ in performance?
I appreciate everyone that replied to my question and did not follow some people advice about not responding to first time posters ludicrous questions.
I think some people have misunderstood my question and thought that I'm trying to compare a Porsche with a BMW. I'm not and honestly if you really enjoy driving, the brand really doesn't matter. It's all about if the car give you that excitement and rush sensation. Everyone gets his car fix differently. For me it is very important that my weekend car feels a bit special, raw and has an element of danger. I'm an intermediate track driver and have a lot to learn, but if I spent a $120K on a track car. I want a car that will challenge and excite me for few years. This is why I'm asking if it's better to get a used 991 GT3. The GT4 is a great car no doubt, but is it worth 120k+ in performance?
TL;DR the gt4 is better balanced and you'll likely carry more speed through the turns. It's sublime at 10/10. The gt3 is more aggro and you'll likely produce faster lap times with the bout of terror at 10/10