Considering Selling My 718 GT4... Is Anyone Else?
09-20-2020, 10:12 PM
#61
I thought you had a 718 Spyder?
If so, this is a rather peculiar thing to say. Your redline is probably around 85mph. Even in my 987 I think redline in 2nd is around 72 mph.
Most of my driving is backroad. On the highway , I typically just shift into 6th and cruise.
Backroads I typically keep my revs in the 4K-6k range. Near the powerband but still rather far from redline.
For me to be in the powerband and in third gear, I would guess I would need to be doing at least 65mph. Rather infrequent on twisty backroads and pointless on the highway.
If so, this is a rather peculiar thing to say. Your redline is probably around 85mph. Even in my 987 I think redline in 2nd is around 72 mph.
Most of my driving is backroad. On the highway , I typically just shift into 6th and cruise.
Backroads I typically keep my revs in the 4K-6k range. Near the powerband but still rather far from redline.
For me to be in the powerband and in third gear, I would guess I would need to be doing at least 65mph. Rather infrequent on twisty backroads and pointless on the highway.
I own a GT4 and I can tell you it is fantastic as-is on any road, and I don’t drive around in second all day. You might want to actually drive one.
Last edited by Archimedes; 09-20-2020 at 10:14 PM.
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09-20-2020, 10:16 PM
#62
^Archimedes: this link was given to me by ExMB. Go to about 4:00, where the sound symposer is discussed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA8zyC6zevs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA8zyC6zevs
09-20-2020, 10:28 PM
#63
My spyder pulls very hard in the upper rev range ,it’s not far off from a gt3/rs ,I’ve done a couple of pulls with a speedster and gt3rs from a roll. Anyone that say the gt4 is slow clearly does not know how to drive one ,need power downshift. When op says the car felt worst than turbo lag ,I have a hunch op was probably doing 20mph lugging the engine in 4th gear ,and WOT expecting the car to accelerate like if it was in the 6k power band.
09-20-2020, 10:36 PM
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I thought you had a 718 Spyder?
If so, this is a rather peculiar thing to say. Your redline is probably around 85mph. Even in my 987 I think redline in 2nd is around 72 mph.
Most of my driving is backroad. On the highway , I typically just shift into 6th and cruise.
Backroads I typically keep my revs in the 4K-6k range. Near the powerband but still rather far from redline.
For me to be in the powerband and in third gear, I would guess I would need to be doing at least 65mph. Rather infrequent on twisty backroads and pointless on the highway.
If so, this is a rather peculiar thing to say. Your redline is probably around 85mph. Even in my 987 I think redline in 2nd is around 72 mph.
Most of my driving is backroad. On the highway , I typically just shift into 6th and cruise.
Backroads I typically keep my revs in the 4K-6k range. Near the powerband but still rather far from redline.
For me to be in the powerband and in third gear, I would guess I would need to be doing at least 65mph. Rather infrequent on twisty backroads and pointless on the highway.
I guess it depends on the type of roads and speed limits. In Ontario, corners that require slowing down to 48 km/h (30 mph) are fairly rare. On back roads (80 km/h posted speed limit), most corners I do around 70-90 km/h. On the straights, I go a bit quicker than that where safe. Thus, I usually exit corners in the 4000-5000 RPM range in second. After the corner, I’d power out to maybe 6000-6500 RPM, then shift to third for cruising down straights around 4000-4500 RPM since there’s no point having the engine screaming when I’m not accelerating. When coming into curves, I usually downshift to second again, or occasionally first for super tight corners.
For reference, 4000 RPM in second is 42 mph on a 718 GT4/Spyder 6MT, 39 mph in a 987.1 S 6MT, and 41 mph in a 987.2 S 6MT. 4000 RPM in third is 59, 57, and 57 mph respectively. The gearing isn’t much different than those cars, the 4.0L engine just revs higher.
Last edited by wizee; 09-20-2020 at 11:09 PM.
09-20-2020, 10:37 PM
#66
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Engine sound is piped into the cabin, literally, as in there’s a pipe bringing engine compartment noises into the cabin. It’s called the Sound Symposer, and it’s different from the Soundaktor on the four cylinder models (which is essentially a speaker playing engine noises).
There is a flap on this pipe that controls how much sound comes in, and I believe its control is related to the sport exhaust setting, though like the muffler flaps, it’s not a simple always on/off logic.
There is a flap on this pipe that controls how much sound comes in, and I believe its control is related to the sport exhaust setting, though like the muffler flaps, it’s not a simple always on/off logic.
09-20-2020, 10:49 PM
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I suppose you could unplug power to the solenoid, but it might default always open (not sure) if you do that. Why do you want to disable it, and why does this disappoint you? I like the way it sounds.
09-20-2020, 11:12 PM
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09-20-2020, 11:16 PM
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Not sure what the complaint is about an opening/pipe to the engine compartment. Would it be an even bigger problem (more fake?) if the engine was just sitting right behind you with no barrier at all? Engine/exhaust noise gets "piped in" through the open windows too. I don't see anyone complaining about that.
09-20-2020, 11:22 PM
#70
I, for one, am interested in the engineering on that sound symposer. How did Porsche solve this, and get certified, to pipe the sound but avoid fumes from entering the compartment with those tubes.
09-20-2020, 11:28 PM
#71
Its been in the cars since at least the first 981 and 991 generation cars.
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09-20-2020, 11:29 PM
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In the 991 you could just stuff a towel in the pipe from the cabin and cut off all the sound.
09-20-2020, 11:31 PM
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09-20-2020, 11:44 PM
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So it's just a part of the engine barrier with less/different sound insulation that Porsche designed to bring more engine sound into the cabin. Big deal. I don't see how fully insulating it would make the sound more "real", and why anyone would be interested in doing that.
Last edited by hf1; 09-20-2020 at 11:45 PM.
09-20-2020, 11:46 PM
#75
And you know this for certain how? Thats almost like saying that because the GT4 has the side Ram Air scoops the spyder does to. Which we know it doesn't.
Last edited by ExMB; 09-20-2020 at 11:50 PM.