Considering Selling My 718 GT4... Is Anyone Else?
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#77
My assumption is that it’s in the 4 Ltr engine therefore in spyder and GT4 but I will attempt to confirm this through my dealer. They’re good guys who tend to get answers I can rely on. I prefer “au naturelle”’for sound but it didn’t really bother me although the drive was very brief so I didn’t get a good sense of it.
Remains to be seen. I was told they’ll get me a car - it’s just a matter of when. It’ll be PDK - otherwise I don’t see the point. I’ll also get 18 way seats. While I drive it 90% of the time (not hubby's “thing”) - I want a car he will enjoy and currently he finds the modified suspension far too harsh in combination with the LWB seats for his bad back.
While I LOVE the manual in the current GT4 (it’s my fave aspect of the car), I’m okay with PDK and we just got the 993 which is a stick and a long term keeper. Tons of fun. Raw. Very different and fun at lower speeds especially when kept at a slightly higher Rev band. And very comfy for both of us. And when I hang up my helmet eventually, the PDK and 18-way will make the 718 GT4 a more friendly keeper.
I would probably sell (not trade) the current GT4.
Time will tell. There are things I much prefer with the 981 version but there are also things I like about the new version. If I end up staying with my current love I’m still a lucky girl as the 981 is a fantastic car. I certainly don’t exploit all the power and am not in need of more. But I can appreciate the refinements and improvement. Next one the suspension will remain stock. I’m tracking a bit less these days and would rather have a compliant car we can both enjoy rather than such a track focused beast! It’s a compromise I’m willing to make to suit my specific needs.
From all I’ve read it’s a great car but so is the 981 version and I can’t really go wrong either way. I wish hubby's back tolerated the LWB better but that’s the way it is and I’d rather have cars he chooses and enjoys instead of strictly his and hers.
One thing I found very odd on the test drive was the way the car automatically increased revs as the clutch is released to avoid stalling. I didn’t like it at all and it took a bit of getting used to. I suppose it makes the car easier to drive for the uninitiated but I thought the throttle was WAY too sensitive and then realized the car was giving itself throttle as I eased away from the parking space. Weird.
Remains to be seen. I was told they’ll get me a car - it’s just a matter of when. It’ll be PDK - otherwise I don’t see the point. I’ll also get 18 way seats. While I drive it 90% of the time (not hubby's “thing”) - I want a car he will enjoy and currently he finds the modified suspension far too harsh in combination with the LWB seats for his bad back.
While I LOVE the manual in the current GT4 (it’s my fave aspect of the car), I’m okay with PDK and we just got the 993 which is a stick and a long term keeper. Tons of fun. Raw. Very different and fun at lower speeds especially when kept at a slightly higher Rev band. And very comfy for both of us. And when I hang up my helmet eventually, the PDK and 18-way will make the 718 GT4 a more friendly keeper.
I would probably sell (not trade) the current GT4.
Time will tell. There are things I much prefer with the 981 version but there are also things I like about the new version. If I end up staying with my current love I’m still a lucky girl as the 981 is a fantastic car. I certainly don’t exploit all the power and am not in need of more. But I can appreciate the refinements and improvement. Next one the suspension will remain stock. I’m tracking a bit less these days and would rather have a compliant car we can both enjoy rather than such a track focused beast! It’s a compromise I’m willing to make to suit my specific needs.
From all I’ve read it’s a great car but so is the 981 version and I can’t really go wrong either way. I wish hubby's back tolerated the LWB better but that’s the way it is and I’d rather have cars he chooses and enjoys instead of strictly his and hers.
One thing I found very odd on the test drive was the way the car automatically increased revs as the clutch is released to avoid stalling. I didn’t like it at all and it took a bit of getting used to. I suppose it makes the car easier to drive for the uninitiated but I thought the throttle was WAY too sensitive and then realized the car was giving itself throttle as I eased away from the parking space. Weird.
Last edited by needmoregarage; 09-21-2020 at 08:57 AM.
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And btw hubby tells me our 2015 Panamera GTS had an intake sound symposer. That V8 sounded incredible! Especially cold starts. Loved the sound. It wasn’t the most beautiful car from all angles but the engine was awesome.
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Motoss (09-21-2020)
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I agree 100%. Other than the exhaust note Particularly under 4000 RPM, I can’t think of anything I would change on the 718 Spyder. Even the gearing feels good given how linear the torque curve is . I’m constantly shifting between 2nd and 3rd gear on back roads and 3rd 4th and 5th on the highway.
I always considered the GT3 the performance standout among production Porsches and the best all round sports car money can buy. I’m surprised how close my 718 Spyder comes to the performance envelop of that Benchmark car. It’a startling. Anyone who considers the 718 GT4 slow, has no clue how to drive a MT or maybe their car is defective.
slow, lol. Maybe compared to a Chiron or an F35 jet plane
I always considered the GT3 the performance standout among production Porsches and the best all round sports car money can buy. I’m surprised how close my 718 Spyder comes to the performance envelop of that Benchmark car. It’a startling. Anyone who considers the 718 GT4 slow, has no clue how to drive a MT or maybe their car is defective.
slow, lol. Maybe compared to a Chiron or an F35 jet plane
My spyder pulls very hard in the upper rev range ,it’s not far off from a gt3/rs ,I’ve done a couple of pulls with a speedster and gt3rs from a roll. Anyone that say the gt4 is slow clearly does not know how to drive one ,need power downshift. When op says the car felt worst than turbo lag ,I have a hunch op was probably doing 20mph lugging the engine in 4th gear ,and WOT expecting the car to accelerate like if it was in the 6k power band.
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To the OP: apologize for the hijack.
To further confuse the sound symposer topic: a manufacturer of aftermarket exhaust options tells me the symposer is only in the spyder but not the GT4 as far as he knows. He’s in EU so I don’t know if it’s different for ROW vs US cars.
I’ll be checking with my dealer sales and service to learn the answer.
To further confuse the sound symposer topic: a manufacturer of aftermarket exhaust options tells me the symposer is only in the spyder but not the GT4 as far as he knows. He’s in EU so I don’t know if it’s different for ROW vs US cars.
I’ll be checking with my dealer sales and service to learn the answer.
#83
You are correct there is no optimal gear for 30 mph corners, since it’s a bit fast for downshifting into first (at least without double clutching), and around 2900 RPM in second gear. With that said, there’s enough torque in second at 2900 RPM for it to not be an issue for me at least. Below 40 km/h (25 mph), I downshift to first in spirited driving.
I guess it depends on the type of roads and speed limits. In Ontario, corners that require slowing down to 48 km/h (30 mph) are fairly rare. On back roads (80 km/h posted speed limit), most corners I do around 70-90 km/h. On the straights, I go a bit quicker than that where safe. Thus, I usually exit corners in the 4000-5000 RPM range in second. After the corner, I’d power out to maybe 6000-6500 RPM, then shift to third for cruising down straights around 4000-4500 RPM since there’s no point having the engine screaming when I’m not accelerating. When coming into curves, I usually downshift to second again, or occasionally first for super tight corners.
For reference, 4000 RPM in second is 42 mph on a 718 GT4/Spyder 6MT, 39 mph in a 987.1 S 6MT, and 41 mph in a 987.2 S 6MT. 4000 RPM in third is 59, 57, and 57 mph respectively. The gearing isn’t much different than those cars, the 4.0L engine just revs higher.
I guess it depends on the type of roads and speed limits. In Ontario, corners that require slowing down to 48 km/h (30 mph) are fairly rare. On back roads (80 km/h posted speed limit), most corners I do around 70-90 km/h. On the straights, I go a bit quicker than that where safe. Thus, I usually exit corners in the 4000-5000 RPM range in second. After the corner, I’d power out to maybe 6000-6500 RPM, then shift to third for cruising down straights around 4000-4500 RPM since there’s no point having the engine screaming when I’m not accelerating. When coming into curves, I usually downshift to second again, or occasionally first for super tight corners.
For reference, 4000 RPM in second is 42 mph on a 718 GT4/Spyder 6MT, 39 mph in a 987.1 S 6MT, and 41 mph in a 987.2 S 6MT. 4000 RPM in third is 59, 57, and 57 mph respectively. The gearing isn’t much different than those cars, the 4.0L engine just revs higher.
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#84
Agree on gearing in 981 GT4. Luv it for most tracks. On the street I just short shift. Doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t understand what the fuss is about but it’s subjective and personal.
I’d sell a car if I didn’t enjoy it after owning/driving it long enough to learn it.
I’ve found that sometimes my perspective changes with time/experience, and if I still feel the same way after giving it a chance then it’s time to move on.
I’d sell a car if I didn’t enjoy it after owning/driving it long enough to learn it.
I’ve found that sometimes my perspective changes with time/experience, and if I still feel the same way after giving it a chance then it’s time to move on.
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Underblu (09-21-2020)
#85
Man you guys get your feelings hurt easily over here in boxster world...the guy was just voicing his driving experience seat of the pants opinion. Whew, so glad I bought a 2 and not a 4
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One thing I am noticing here is people definitely have different definitions of “backroads”. I live in CT, And drive mostly CT and around Hudson River Valley so my back roads are very woody and a number of blind turns. Typical posted speed limit is 25-30 mph. Not dense residential neighborhoods but a combination of country living, forest and hilly farms.
I would say my typical driving is rather busy between 25mph turns, (maybe 20 mph turns) and up to 50-60 and back again. It’s pretty hard to take those turns much faster “ safely” given that you could always find a deer, biker, fisherman or hiker. As a result I frequently find myself at the top of 1st or the bottom of 2nd and hardly ever need 3rd.( unless I am on my way to 6th)
This is what spirited backroad driving means to me. I could see if one has corners they can take closer to 30-35 then the gearing would be a lesser problem. I’ll admit I never really thought about the different variations of “ backroad”.
Nonetheless, to the OP, if the GT4 doesn’t doesn’t fill your needs or desires, best to move on. The more I think about my backroad driving, the more I think of getting rid of both my Cayman and Boxster and just stick with my TR6. It’s starting to seem like a better fit. For highways and longer drives, there are clearly cars I prefer over Caymans. In fact, I think people are often surprised that I prefer my Boxster 987S over a 997S cab in my normal driving environment. Obviously, it’s not just the car but how you plan to use it.
I would say my typical driving is rather busy between 25mph turns, (maybe 20 mph turns) and up to 50-60 and back again. It’s pretty hard to take those turns much faster “ safely” given that you could always find a deer, biker, fisherman or hiker. As a result I frequently find myself at the top of 1st or the bottom of 2nd and hardly ever need 3rd.( unless I am on my way to 6th)
This is what spirited backroad driving means to me. I could see if one has corners they can take closer to 30-35 then the gearing would be a lesser problem. I’ll admit I never really thought about the different variations of “ backroad”.
Nonetheless, to the OP, if the GT4 doesn’t doesn’t fill your needs or desires, best to move on. The more I think about my backroad driving, the more I think of getting rid of both my Cayman and Boxster and just stick with my TR6. It’s starting to seem like a better fit. For highways and longer drives, there are clearly cars I prefer over Caymans. In fact, I think people are often surprised that I prefer my Boxster 987S over a 997S cab in my normal driving environment. Obviously, it’s not just the car but how you plan to use it.
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Underblu (09-21-2020)
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One thing I am noticing here is people definitely have different definitions of “backroads”. I live in CT, And drive mostly CT and around Hudson River Valley so my back roads are very woody and a number of blind turns. Typical posted speed limit is 25-30 mph. Not dense residential neighborhoods but a combination of country living, forest and hilly farms.
I would say my typical driving is rather busy between 25mph turns, (maybe 20 mph turns) and up to 50-60 and back again. It’s pretty hard to take those turns much faster “ safely” given that you could always find a deer, biker, fisherman or hiker. As a result I frequently find myself at the top of 1st or the bottom of 2nd and hardly ever need 3rd.( unless I am on my way to 6th)
This is what spirited backroad driving means to me. I could see if one has corners they can take closer to 30-35 then the gearing would be a lesser problem. I’ll admit I never really thought about the different variations of “ backroad”.
Nonetheless, to the OP, if the GT4 doesn’t doesn’t fill your needs or desires, best to move on. The more I think about my backroad driving, the more I think of getting rid of both my Cayman and Boxster and just stick with my TR6. It’s starting to seem like a better fit. For highways and longer drives, there are clearly cars I prefer over Caymans. In fact, I think people are often surprised that I prefer my Boxster 987S over a 997S cab in my normal driving environment. Obviously, it’s not just the car but how you plan to use it.
I would say my typical driving is rather busy between 25mph turns, (maybe 20 mph turns) and up to 50-60 and back again. It’s pretty hard to take those turns much faster “ safely” given that you could always find a deer, biker, fisherman or hiker. As a result I frequently find myself at the top of 1st or the bottom of 2nd and hardly ever need 3rd.( unless I am on my way to 6th)
This is what spirited backroad driving means to me. I could see if one has corners they can take closer to 30-35 then the gearing would be a lesser problem. I’ll admit I never really thought about the different variations of “ backroad”.
Nonetheless, to the OP, if the GT4 doesn’t doesn’t fill your needs or desires, best to move on. The more I think about my backroad driving, the more I think of getting rid of both my Cayman and Boxster and just stick with my TR6. It’s starting to seem like a better fit. For highways and longer drives, there are clearly cars I prefer over Caymans. In fact, I think people are often surprised that I prefer my Boxster 987S over a 997S cab in my normal driving environment. Obviously, it’s not just the car but how you plan to use it.
Last edited by wizee; 09-21-2020 at 01:14 PM.
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#89
I don't know about the 718 but for the 981 GT4 I'm pretty sure the sound symposer is not used. It might be there as part of the commonality across 981 models but if it is I believe the valve is closed all the time. I know this because that wiring harness signal is usually inactive on the GT4 and is being used for something else in my car
Also, I have driven a 981 GT4 where the sound symposer was hooked up and set to open all the time and it was much louder in the cabin (not in a good way) and super droney.
Also, I have driven a 981 GT4 where the sound symposer was hooked up and set to open all the time and it was much louder in the cabin (not in a good way) and super droney.
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I have a 981 S Cayman and a 981 Spyder. There is no comparison in acceleration. The Spyder blows it away. The 718 GT4 should be even quicker. As for the sound, I believe you on that. I drove a 981 GT4 and was underwhelmed with the sound. Probably because the top down 981 Spyder has amazing sound.