Considering Selling My 718 GT4... Is Anyone Else?
09-19-2020, 08:38 PM
#16
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This has got to be the funniest Archimedes post I've read lolol! 
09-19-2020, 08:39 PM
#17
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After 9 months of ownership, I’m considering selling my GT4 for a number of reasons.
I think it is one of the nicest GT Porsche’s to look at of all time, and it handles incredibly well... but all round, the car is just not doing it for me on two levels, which are the most important areas to me.
01 - Sound: Yes, I know we are all tired of listening to people giving out about the sound or lack of sound, but it is just shocking how bad the car sounds, especially when you accelerate hard. My 3.0 petrol Cayenne sounds much better, and that’s simply not right. I should not have to put an aftermarket exhaust on the car, and I am not interested in doing so.
02 - Acceleration / Responsiveness: both my Cayman S and GTS felt much quicker off the line. The GT4 feels like it actually has more lag than the turboed GTS. Again, my 30 year old Testarossa feels faster off the line. Yes, I know the GT4 can produce good track times, but I drive my GT4 on a daily basis and I just can’t find the power it should have, when I want it.
Simply put, I expect better sound and acceleration from a GT car... as for me, they make the soul of the car, and the GT4 just lacks the usual flat 6 NA Porsche soul.
A bit of context around my Cayman experience and ownership... I had a 981 Cayman S for 2 years, then a 718 GTS for 2 years, and now the 718 GT4 for almost a year. I am not into tracking my cars, but I do love to take my cars for spirited drives on quite roads.
I have my name down for a GT4 RS if they do happen to ever release it (let’s not start that debate), but overall I’m curious to know if any other 718 GT4 / Spyder owners feel the same about their car?
I think it is one of the nicest GT Porsche’s to look at of all time, and it handles incredibly well... but all round, the car is just not doing it for me on two levels, which are the most important areas to me.
01 - Sound: Yes, I know we are all tired of listening to people giving out about the sound or lack of sound, but it is just shocking how bad the car sounds, especially when you accelerate hard. My 3.0 petrol Cayenne sounds much better, and that’s simply not right. I should not have to put an aftermarket exhaust on the car, and I am not interested in doing so.
02 - Acceleration / Responsiveness: both my Cayman S and GTS felt much quicker off the line. The GT4 feels like it actually has more lag than the turboed GTS. Again, my 30 year old Testarossa feels faster off the line. Yes, I know the GT4 can produce good track times, but I drive my GT4 on a daily basis and I just can’t find the power it should have, when I want it.
Simply put, I expect better sound and acceleration from a GT car... as for me, they make the soul of the car, and the GT4 just lacks the usual flat 6 NA Porsche soul.
A bit of context around my Cayman experience and ownership... I had a 981 Cayman S for 2 years, then a 718 GTS for 2 years, and now the 718 GT4 for almost a year. I am not into tracking my cars, but I do love to take my cars for spirited drives on quite roads.
I have my name down for a GT4 RS if they do happen to ever release it (let’s not start that debate), but overall I’m curious to know if any other 718 GT4 / Spyder owners feel the same about their car?
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09-20-2020, 09:18 AM
#21
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Thanks for the replies to those of you who had something positive to comment about... but wow... I didn't realise there were so many grumpy people on the other hand, on this forum... wow.
If you read my post again, you'll learn that I said other cars 'FEEL' like they are faster when they are clearly NOT on paper... calm down!
This is just my honest opinion on the car... it's still a great car, but it's just not doing it for me. Not enough people give their true honest opinion on the forum... I've tried too, but clearly have upset a few people.
If you read my post again, you'll learn that I said other cars 'FEEL' like they are faster when they are clearly NOT on paper... calm down!
This is just my honest opinion on the car... it's still a great car, but it's just not doing it for me. Not enough people give their true honest opinion on the forum... I've tried too, but clearly have upset a few people.
09-20-2020, 09:44 AM
#22
Drifting
Thanks for the replies to those of you who had something positive to comment about... but wow... I didn't realise there were so many grumpy people on the other hand, on this forum... wow.
If you read my post again, you'll learn that I said other cars 'FEEL' like they are faster when they are clearly NOT on paper... calm down!
This is just my honest opinion on the car... it's still a great car, but it's just not doing it for me. Not enough people give their true honest opinion on the forum... I've tried too, but clearly have upset a few people.
If you read my post again, you'll learn that I said other cars 'FEEL' like they are faster when they are clearly NOT on paper... calm down!
This is just my honest opinion on the car... it's still a great car, but it's just not doing it for me. Not enough people give their true honest opinion on the forum... I've tried too, but clearly have upset a few people.
Since it is subjective, there is no right or wrong.
Objectively, the 4.0 should be faster.
Maybe you are a turbo guy, nothing wrong with that.
09-20-2020, 09:51 AM
#23
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Thanks for the replies to those of you who had something positive to comment about... but wow... I didn't realise there were so many grumpy people on the other hand, on this forum... wow.
If you read my post again, you'll learn that I said other cars 'FEEL' like they are faster when they are clearly NOT on paper... calm down!
This is just my honest opinion on the car... it's still a great car, but it's just not doing it for me. Not enough people give their true honest opinion on the forum... I've tried too, but clearly have upset a few people.
If you read my post again, you'll learn that I said other cars 'FEEL' like they are faster when they are clearly NOT on paper... calm down!
This is just my honest opinion on the car... it's still a great car, but it's just not doing it for me. Not enough people give their true honest opinion on the forum... I've tried too, but clearly have upset a few people.
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09-20-2020, 10:17 AM
#24
That is the operative word here; objectively. I came back from a DE where I was grouped with a 718 GT4 driven by an experienced instructor/racer. Major difference were only the tires: RE71Rs (me), MPSC2s (him). Neither one of us could lose the other. Distance between us stayed the same no matter who was leading, Lap times similar as well.
09-20-2020, 10:49 AM
#25
Burning Brakes
If you want "neck breaking" feel of acceleration (quick vs fast), then you should probably consider a Tesla (or Taycan if you want to spend the money) where an EV has max torque at 0 rpm. If you never take your GT4 to the track, then it's a waste, in my opinion.
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09-20-2020, 11:11 AM
#26
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If you want the FEELING of speed, I can tell you that my friend's Honda Talon feels much faster than my GT4 even going just 30 mph because it's loud and has no windshield. For a car, what makes you feel fast is torque. Seems like you prefer a turbo car because after the turbos spool you get a rush of torque and power. The GT4 having a naturally aspirated engine and tuned for high end power (although pretty flat torque delivery through the power band) is pretty linear which is great for the track as it makes power predictably, but doesn't feel fast because of how smooth the power delivery is, but also the suspension is tuned well that unless you look at your speedometer you may not realize you are speeding. Had my wife in my GT4 and she wouldn't have guessed we were going over 90 mph until she looked at the speedometer.
If you want "neck breaking" feel of acceleration (quick vs fast), then you should probably consider a Tesla (or Taycan if you want to spend the money) where an EV has max torque at 0 rpm. If you never take your GT4 to the track, then it's a waste, in my opinion.
If you want "neck breaking" feel of acceleration (quick vs fast), then you should probably consider a Tesla (or Taycan if you want to spend the money) where an EV has max torque at 0 rpm. If you never take your GT4 to the track, then it's a waste, in my opinion.
I bought a Tesla Model 3 Performance in February this year and I got rid of it within 6 weeks (thankfully without losing anything on it)... as again, I could not live with the lack of soul in an EV.
Maybe I am just getting old, and prefer the older cars now :-)
I get much more of a thrill driving my '86 911 than the GT4 as it just feels more pure and more like a Porsche. Anyway, just opinions, not facts... each to their own.
09-20-2020, 12:07 PM
#27
Yes, interesting point.
I bought a Tesla Model 3 Performance in February this year and I got rid of it within 6 weeks (thankfully without losing anything on it)... as again, I could not live with the lack of soul in an EV.
Maybe I am just getting old, and prefer the older cars now :-)
I get much more of a thrill driving my '86 911 than the GT4 as it just feels more pure and more like a Porsche. Anyway, just opinions, not facts... each to their own.
I bought a Tesla Model 3 Performance in February this year and I got rid of it within 6 weeks (thankfully without losing anything on it)... as again, I could not live with the lack of soul in an EV.
Maybe I am just getting old, and prefer the older cars now :-)
I get much more of a thrill driving my '86 911 than the GT4 as it just feels more pure and more like a Porsche. Anyway, just opinions, not facts... each to their own.
. You paid good money and are not satisfied, simple as that. Have you looked into a 992 S ? Turbo 6 with manual and looks pretty sweet with the aerokit and wing (like your GT4), not to mention sounds great too and has the torque you might be looking for with around-town driving. I would venture to say it would be more cost efficient than a GT4RS and tons easier to obtain.
09-20-2020, 12:45 PM
#28
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Thread Starter
Nothing wrong at all with getting old and having your unique preferences . You paid good money and are not satisfied, simple as that. Have you looked into a 992 S ? Turbo 6 with manual and looks pretty sweet with the aerokit and wing (like your GT4), not to mention sounds great too and has the torque you might be looking for with around-town driving. I would venture to say it would be more cost efficient than a GT4RS and tons easier to obtain.
. You paid good money and are not satisfied, simple as that. Have you looked into a 992 S ? Turbo 6 with manual and looks pretty sweet with the aerokit and wing (like your GT4), not to mention sounds great too and has the torque you might be looking for with around-town driving. I would venture to say it would be more cost efficient than a GT4RS and tons easier to obtain.I'll hold out to see how the GT4 RS turns out. I'm hoping it will be faster, shorter gearing, better sounding and a bang out of the PDK gear box.
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09-20-2020, 12:51 PM
#29
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I've been playing with the idea of getting a 964 instead of the GT4 as a daily, and stripping it right back and customising it to my satisfaction. I've never customised a car before as i've always preferred the purist route (hence not wanting to put an aftermarket exhaust on a brand new car)... however I think I'd enjoy going to town on a 964 while keeping my 3.2 Carrera as standard.
I'll hold out to see how the GT4 RS turns out. I'm hoping it will be faster, shorter gearing, better sounding and a bang out of the PDK gear box.
I'll hold out to see how the GT4 RS turns out. I'm hoping it will be faster, shorter gearing, better sounding and a bang out of the PDK gear box.
recover much of that in a subsequent sale ... speaking from personal experience
09-20-2020, 01:40 PM
#30
well the OP's further posts have convinced me that it was a genuine post and not trolling, which leaves me in the unfortunate position of being unsure about whether the 4.0 GTS is the right car for me.
I have always been a torque fiend, I currently have a BMW M2C which has abundant torque
I previously had 2 981S' which I found to be torquey enough, but if the 4.0 feels even less torquey I might not be too happy with it.
sounds like I will need to drive a 4.0 GTS before I order one to be sure...
I have always been a torque fiend, I currently have a BMW M2C which has abundant torque
I previously had 2 981S' which I found to be torquey enough, but if the 4.0 feels even less torquey I might not be too happy with it.
sounds like I will need to drive a 4.0 GTS before I order one to be sure...