UncleDude

I could watch that guy review cars all day.

Further to above, wheel gap at 13 seconds:

Wheel gap at 3:29

Wheel gap at 0:00

The ones in Spain all seem lower than the UK variants.

mranderson

I was thinking the same. That is quite a dramatic advantage over a 992 and comparing with equivalent "roadster class", anything under 3000 lbs is incredible.

hf1

Another point regarding wheel gap that is worth mentioning. The gap on the GTS would be visually additionally larger than the specc'd 10mm/20mm (SPASM/PASM) diff vs the GT4/Spyder due to its rear tires being more stretched over its rims than the GT4/Spyder. IIRC, the GTS rear wheels are only 0.5" narrower than the GT4/Spyder wheels but GTS tires are 30mm (1.20") narrower. So its tires are relatively narrower than its wheels vs the GT4/Spyder. Too lazy now to check/compare the wheel diameters of GTS and GT4/Spyder.

hf1

For me, the 2820lb weigh-in with sofas, irons, half-tank of gas, and in full driving condition is THE biggest positive surprise about the GTS 4.0 -- second only to Dundon's dyno charts showing the oem 718 4.0 outpowering the 991.1. GT3 3.8 at every rpm (!?). The latter is literally unbelievable and while everyone is convinced that Porsche doesn't play games with their weight and HP specs I have yet to see it retracted or proven wrong. Now I would love to see an explanation for the huge diff between the specced 1400kg weight and the actually weighed 1280kg in Harry's video. That's not chump change or a rounding error. What is going on here?

mranderson

Posted curb weight of the manual is 3166 lbs.
The weight measured by Harry was 2821 lbs.

Curb weight is measured with 90% of fuel.
Harry said the car had half a tank of gas.

But the diff is a whopping 345 lbs!

In my head I'm thinking either his scale is off or Porsche is doing this to create a targeted power to weight ratio that they deem fit within the entire model range.

Archimedes

Retracted? Who would retract it? It’s total nonsense. You honestly think Porsche under rated the GT3 by 40-80 hp and overrated the GT4 by 40-80 hp? Seriously? And if they did, how come it isn’t showing up in the test times? And how come GT3 owners didn’t say ‘holy **** my new GT3 is slower than the last one’? Or GT4 owners didn’t say, ‘holy **** this 718 GT4 is sooo much faster than the last one?

I owned a 981 Spyder and I’ve driven both .1 and .2 GT3s. There is no way my new GT4 has more power than a GT3. Not even close.

hf1

Even if his scale is off, he still weighed the Boxster at 180kg (400lb) less than a 992 on the same scale, off or not. The posted curb weights couldn’t possibly differ by that much. Something doesn’t add up...

wizee

As another reference, with full tanks of gas, Car and Driver weighed a (manual) Boxster GTS 4.0 at 3125 lbs, and a (PDK) 992 Carrara S Cabriolet at 3566 lbs. The GTS 4.0 had ceramics, but it might have had heavy 18 way seats (not clear), and if so powered steering wheel adjustment too. The weight difference between 18 way seats and LWBS is around 55-60 lbs (51 lbs seat weight difference for two seats combined, and some extra weight for powered steering wheel adjustment, and extra wiring harnesses).

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

hf1

So if it weighs 2820lb with sofas and iron brakes, then would lwbs, pccb, and lightweight battery make this a 2700lb car?

hf1

Ok, so the c&d gts diff vs 992 is similar but the weighed number is much higher. A gallon of gas weighs 6lb.. How many gallons are the gts 4.0 and 992 tanks?

Al_Ra

I'm in the UK and have a GTS 4.0 with SPASM

For reference:-


PS - Press launch was in Portimão, Portugal.

Dyim

Same 16.9 according to Porsche USA sites.

hf1

Thx. So a full tank weighs 100lb more than empty. Half a tank, 50lb.

CaymanMatt

So, how would he know that this is the Greatest Boxster Ever when he freely admits that he never drove the T4 version because he "heard it sounded bad" - an approximate quote. That's about the lamest comment I've heard in a while. Makes him appear to be just more fluff like all the other internet reviewers, despite him trying to appear as an expert.
Criminy!

Benjamin Charles

Harry Metcalfe bankrolled / set up Evo car magazine.
He owned one of the first Pagani Zonda’s -which he regularly featured in Evo magazine.
Currently on his farm he has a large barn full of exotic cars that he owns from classic Rolls Royce (which he drove to the Arctic) to a Ferrari Testarossa (which he drove to Marrakesh).....
along with a Lamborghini Countach, Lotus Espirit, Lotus Elan, Lamborghini Espada etc etc etc

He also has possibly one of the worlds best collections of Paris-Dakar motorcycles....
I think, maybe, he isn’t as you purport’ ‘just more fluff like all the internet reviewers’