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Old 12-13-2020 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by omar0022
Did you see that black GT4 they just got that showed 394HP on the window sticker?? What is that all about?? Misprint?? Anyone else noticed that for their GT4?
Was it a GT4 or a GTS4.0, I think a Caymen GTS4.0 which should be 394 HP.
Old 12-13-2020 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlotsj
Was it a GT4 or a GTS4.0, I think a Caymen GTS4.0 which should be 394 HP.
GT4. Even the SA was confused. I’ll post picture on Tuesday.
Old 12-14-2020 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by omar0022
GT4. Even the SA was confused. I’ll post picture on Tuesday.
My 2021 Spyder PDK is 20 HP short too. Need to determine if it is a 2021 thing or a PDK thing.

Old 12-14-2020 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by itguy
My 2021 Spyder PDK is 20 HP short too. Need to determine if it is a 2021 thing or a PDK thing.
According to the Porsche USA website, the hp/tq for the GTS4.0 with PDK are 394/317 and for the GT4/Spyder are 414/317. If either has a manual transmission the hp is the same as with PDK but the tq is reduced to 309. Hopefully, these window stickers are misprints.

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Old 12-14-2020 | 02:49 AM
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I doubt many of you will notice a 20hp difference on your run to cars and coffee 🤣
Old 12-14-2020 | 05:41 AM
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I doubt many of you will notice a 20hp difference on your run to cars and coffee 🤣
Good point. Especially after we add our race exhaust.
Old 12-14-2020 | 09:15 AM
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Porsche’s Freudian slip (or a wink) suggesting that all 4.0 engines have the exact same power and that the 20hp diff is pure marketing.
Old 12-14-2020 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LCBC911
I doubt many of you will notice a 20hp difference on your run to cars and coffee 🤣
Cute comment but irrelevant. Porsche needs to correct this or risk facing multiple lawsuits and cancelled orders. You don't advertise a level of performance then change the game in mid flight without consequences. I for one will have to make a serious decision if mine shows up with this same "misprint". It literally causes the 2021 to lose value instantly. Think about the consequences 5 years from now, "oh, this is the 2021 not the higher HP 2020 model, I'll pass......".

On the flip side, 20 years from now these "misprinted" Monroney Labels may be a collectors item

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Old 12-14-2020 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by itguy
My 2021 Spyder PDK is 20 HP short too. Need to determine if it is a 2021 thing or a PDK thing.
Your profile shows you in Indiana. Is that correct, and if so, did you also buy the car there? Just trying to ascertain whether EPA vs CARB cars may have ended up different.

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Originally Posted by mjw930
Cute comment but irrelevant. Porsche needs to correct this or risk facing multiple lawsuits and cancelled orders. You don't advertise a level of performance then change the game in mid flight without consequences. I for one will have to make a serious decision if mine shows up with this same "misprint". It literally causes the 2021 to lose value instantly. Think about the consequences 5 years from now, "oh, this is the 2021 not the higher HP 2020 model, I'll pass......".
Bingo! My SA mentioned they have a pending request to Porsche NA about this. We were speculating it had something to do with CARB and maybe required a different tune to pass inspection???
Old 12-14-2020 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mjw930
Cute comment but irrelevant. Porsche needs to correct this or risk facing multiple lawsuits and cancelled orders. You don't advertise a level of performance then change the game in mid flight without consequences. I for one will have to make a serious decision if mine shows up with this same "misprint". It literally causes the 2021 to lose value instantly. Think about the consequences 5 years from now, "oh, this is the 2021 not the higher HP 2020 model, I'll pass......".

On the flip side, 20 years from now these "misprinted" Monroney Labels may be a collectors item
Originally Posted by ronbauer
Your profile shows you in Indiana. Is that correct, and if so, did you also buy the car there? Just trying to ascertain whether EPA vs CARB cars may have ended up different.

Ron
Originally Posted by omar0022
Bingo! My SA mentioned they have a pending request to Porsche NA about this. We were speculating it had something to do with CARB and maybe required a different tune to pass inspection???
Guys, it's just a printing error...ask your SA for a corrected one. My 2021 PDK Spyder is correct.

Multiple lawsuits and cancelled orders....lolz.
Old 12-14-2020 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TXshaggy
Multiple lawsuits and cancelled orders....lolz.
I'm going to assume based on your's and other comments that it's a misprint and has been corrected the rest is an academic discussion. My comment regarding lawsuits / cancelled order my seem laughable but it's not. This misprint is a screw up on the Porsche side that does effect their reputation. If it's not a misprint it materially effects the value of the 2021 product, whether you agree or not. I deal with branding and brand reputation on a daily basis. Trust me, even the most petty thing you can think of effects the brand, it's the world we live in these days. Thank "Social media" for this..........

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Old 12-14-2020 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by itguy
My 2021 Spyder PDK is 20 HP short too. Need to determine if it is a 2021 thing or a PDK thing.
Aren't these sheets printed stateside at port of entry... they have done away with them for Porsches coming into Canada.

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Old 12-14-2020 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Westcoast
Aren't these sheets printed stateside at port of entry... they have done away with them for Porsches coming into Canada.
Yup. When I did ED in 2015, I was in possession of the Monroney sticker before I jumped over the pond.

Some poor low-paid data entry clerk in Atlanta made a mistake and now mjw930’s going to have them shamed, doxed, and quartered on Twitter.

I will carefully scrutinize the sticker on my T when it gets here. Hopefully it comes with another 94 horsepower which disappear when I dyno test it. Then I can call mjw930 and put him to work.
Old 12-14-2020 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
Yup. When I did ED in 2015, I was in possession of the Monroney sticker before I jumped over the pond.

Some poor low-paid data entry clerk in Atlanta made a mistake and now mjw930’s going to have them shamed, doxed, and quartered on Twitter.

I will carefully scrutinize the sticker on my T when it gets here. Hopefully it comes with another 94 horsepower which disappear when I dyno test it. Then I can call mjw930 and put him to work.
Hey, don’t shoot the messenger and no, I’m not going to hang anyone out to dry on Twitter or anywhere else, I don’t use those platforms. BTW, I checked the EPA filings and all versions, CARB included, have the 414HP calibration so this is truly a misprint and I hope mine comes this way, I’ll have a collectors item in the Monroney Sticker.

My comments on disgruntled customers was solely based on the premise that Porsche actually detuned the GT cars, which it’s now obvious they didn’t. Think of the Ford debacle a decade or so ago with the Shelby motors and you will understand where I’m coming from.

I know the scope of this is probably only a few dozen, maybe a few hundred cars but Porsche is really bad at managing issues like this. That was my premise. If they get in front of this instead of hoping it will go away with a few reprints or denials it damages the brand. If they take the simple step of writing a service memo to all US dealers telling them to order a reprint of any incorrect stickers and let their customers know it was just a clerical error they make lemonade from lemons. If everyone has to go asking for the confirmation it makes it look like they are hiding something. It’s all about perception.


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