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worf928

This is sound advice. What's good for the goose ...

So is is 2k, 2.5k, or 3k?

I tell ya what. After you've got your story straight come back and tell us what you really feel.

This is your butt-o-meter problem---^. The twin turbo 991.2 GTS makes 405 ft-lbs from 2150 RPM and the 2.0 718 makes 280 ft-lbs from 1950.

A 125 ft-lbs difference at 2000-rpm is something noticed by even those most insensitive butt-o-meter.

Compared to the 991.2 GTS most cars will feel like a cinder block in sand at 2k rpm.

The thread hi-jack was about the N.A. 4.0 not the 3.0 TT.

Around town the 2.0 is faster than the 4.0 because low-rpm torque wins around town. On the highway horsepower wins.

On the highway the 2.0 runs out of steam whereas the 4.0 doesn't.

The 3.0 TT motor has steam everywhere.

BlueNorther

@Worf: Seems like I struck a nerve, sorry. But the OP had a 991.2 and now wants a base 718. So the character of the base 718's throttle response is relevant. It is not linear, and I am replying to an earlier post. Since it is not linear I can't give you a specific RPM. But it is very noticeable. Some will call it turbo lag, but I don't think that is the full story, since judging by the boost pressure turbo is not being activated right away. But it is part of it. Probably another part is the small displacement engine. But like I say, I avoid this problem just by keeping the RPMs above 3k do avoid the dead zone. But can't avoid it coming from a stop, so I'm reminded of it every time I want to really move from a stop. If you don't drive routinely under hard acceleration you might not notice.

So OP be sure you know what you are in for, since you are used to a 991.2. Porsche did a real nice job with the combination of the flat 6, larger displacement and turbo. The throttle response is much more linear, sounds better than the T4,. You pretty much have your cake and eat it too. Haven't had the pleasure of driving a 991.2 T but would be something to consider (if you can find one and want to spend the extra$). Good luck!

omaralt

And this is why I keep coming back to the 4 cylinder engine..

worf928

My 718 T is more fun around town than my wife's 991S 3.8 NA 7-speed manual. The 991 is basically 'dead' except for 1st gear and that's over too quickly. You don't get to *use* 2nd gear in town. On the highway my wife's 991 is more fun than the T because you can see red line in second gear and get some use out of third. IIRC the gearing on the 991 is arguably 'better' than the 718. On the highway the T is exactly what you expect: a 300 hp car and you get what you get.

My 718 T is far, far more lively in town and on the highway than my wife's former 981CS PDK. The 3.4 liter was amusing but needed to be wound out to get anything out of it. IIRC it made 273 ft-lbs at 5k-ish rpm, less than the 2.0 at 1950, and peaked at 325 bhp. And you really had to work for it. Which was fun. But as a DD it was work.

My 718 T is more fun around town than my 991 Turbo. Again because it feels like you get to use more of its capability between 0 and 35-40 mph.

My 718 T is NOT as much fun as my Twin-screw-supercharged 928 GT. However, the latter requires attention and respect all of the time, so it's not as much fun around town after 30 minutes or so.

If YOUR PURPOSE is do use a 2.0 as an around-town daily-driver then I do not think you will be disappointed by the 2.0. As long as you realize that you are 'driving a slow car fast' and understand what that means relative to 'driving a fast car slow.'

Yes, the 2.0 doesn't have torque below 2k-rpm like a 3.0, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8, 4.0 flat-6 (or a positive-displacement supercharged 32-valve 5 liter v8 ) ... what do you expect? However, if you keep it above 2k there's no wait for boost. Also, at least with the T models with SC, in overrun the throttle plate is kept open for quite some time so that there's no first order boost lag after a gear change or trailing throttle.

If you've not seriously wrung out a 718 2.0 I suggest you take a trip to the nearest Porsche Experience Center and pay the short money for a 718 2.0 experience. Well worth it and what convinced me that I could 'live' with a 2.0.

This if you can't find a 2.0 you can test drive (which you probably can't.)

On the other hand, I'd have assumed that a 991.2 GTS with a 7-speed MT would be pretty darn fun around town too. I have not driven an MT 3.0TT of any flavor.

eadingleberry

Paraphrasing Warren, it appears that: "The used car market is a device for transferring money from the impatient to the patient."

It's never as bad or as good as it seems in the moment. I'm sure we'll be well supplied with bog standard mass produced cars, both new and used, at some point not that far away.