First video review of 4.0
02-21-2020, 07:24 AM
#16
Now that the GTS 4.0 is out I, for one, would love to see the auto bloggers and journalists do head to head comparisons between the new 4.0 and the GTS it replaced.
The 4.0 looks great and probably sounds great but I am interested in seeing how they compare in performance. Does the 4.0 handle better, is it faster around a track, is it faster to 60? Is the difference enough to trade a GTS for a new model? My GTS is a nice build and the sound doesn’t bother me one way or the other but I was thinking that perhaps the difference is enough to eat a loss and move to the 4.0 or even a 992.
i think that the difference between the discounted prices in the 2.5 and the fact that the 4.0 will probably sell at MSRP would make a trade a non starter but who knows.
what does everyone think?
The 4.0 looks great and probably sounds great but I am interested in seeing how they compare in performance. Does the 4.0 handle better, is it faster around a track, is it faster to 60? Is the difference enough to trade a GTS for a new model? My GTS is a nice build and the sound doesn’t bother me one way or the other but I was thinking that perhaps the difference is enough to eat a loss and move to the 4.0 or even a 992.
i think that the difference between the discounted prices in the 2.5 and the fact that the 4.0 will probably sell at MSRP would make a trade a non starter but who knows.
what does everyone think?
Having owned m3 e92 with n/a 4.0 in the past and now owning a 911 gt3 for me the choice is obvious. 4.0 hands down.
02-21-2020, 09:47 AM
#17
Good news for those who want a flat six. And a bargain for those who buy a GTS 2.5 (smart money).
02-21-2020, 10:36 AM
#18
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The difference in engine character isn't all about sound. The throttle response is hugely different and the top end of the 4.0 is intoxicating. The 2.5T does have more torque at low-ish RPM but it's not all there the instant you hit the throttle and the last 7-800 RPM before red line are extremely meh on the turbo 4's. That's not to say that people can't like the H4 for daily driving but there is a lot more to it than just the way it sounds. For a small sports car I think the 4.0's way of doing things makes a lot more sense. It's not a 4-door family car or SUV.
02-21-2020, 10:49 AM
#19
The difference in engine character isn't all about sound. The throttle response is hugely different and the top end of the 4.0 is intoxicating. The 2.5T does have more torque at low-ish RPM but it's not all there the instant you hit the throttle and the last 7-800 RPM before red line are extremely meh on the turbo 4's. That's not to say that people can't like the H4 for daily driving but there is a lot more to it than just the way it sounds. For a small sports car I think the 4.0's way of doing things makes a lot more sense. It's not a 4-door family car or SUV.
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02-21-2020, 10:53 AM
#20
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No, why? I do own a 3.8L 981 and have driven the 2.5T S and GTS several times as well as the 718 GT4 and the 718 GTS 4.0 in a professional capacity on press launches and reviews, just in case that helps to make me seem semi qualified to have an opinion on them...
02-21-2020, 11:12 AM
#21
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02-21-2020, 12:52 PM
#22
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The difference in engine character isn't all about sound. The throttle response is hugely different and the top end of the 4.0 is intoxicating. The 2.5T does have more torque at low-ish RPM but it's not all there the instant you hit the throttle and the last 7-800 RPM before red line are extremely meh on the turbo 4's. That's not to say that people can't like the H4 for daily driving but there is a lot more to it than just the way it sounds. For a small sports car I think the 4.0's way of doing things makes a lot more sense. It's not a 4-door family car or SUV.
There is very little, if any, turbo lag in the GTS in sport or sport plus mode. I can’t talk to the base , never haven driven one.
02-21-2020, 01:41 PM
#23
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I’m sure what you say is accurate but, other than the track, how often does that matter? How often does one drive at top end or even hit redline in normal driving? I can redline switching gears but that’s a very small time frame. Most legal normal driving is not at top end or redline for long.
There is very little, if any, turbo lag in the GTS in sport or sport plus mode. I can’t talk to the base , never haven driven one.
There is very little, if any, turbo lag in the GTS in sport or sport plus mode. I can’t talk to the base , never haven driven one.
If I had a 2.5 GTS I would not be running out to take a financial hit to get into the new car. But now that the choice is there, for most new car buyers it should be between the 2.0 base engine or the 4.0. Either go for value or for the best one overall. The 2.5 is a bit in no-man's land now value wise through no fault of its own.
02-21-2020, 02:13 PM
#24
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I understand all that, but it's a 2-seater sportscar which (if you believe the brochures) is about driving pleasure. It's not a utilitarian car even if you can perfectly drive it every day. Being enjoyable is the number one thing. And from that perspective the 4.0 suits it better. It has quite a bit of torque anyway, unlike the old 3.4. Plenty for what most would consider "normal" driving and with a nice sound to go along with it. Between 3 and 5K RPM it does not make you wish you had a smaller turbo engine.
If I had a 2.5 GTS I would not be running out to take a financial hit to get into the new car. But now that the choice is there, for most new car buyers it should be between the 2.0 base engine or the 4.0. Either go for value or for the best one overall. The 2.5 is a bit in no-man's land now value wise through no fault of its own.
If I had a 2.5 GTS I would not be running out to take a financial hit to get into the new car. But now that the choice is there, for most new car buyers it should be between the 2.0 base engine or the 4.0. Either go for value or for the best one overall. The 2.5 is a bit in no-man's land now value wise through no fault of its own.