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I feel this thread has reached its peek, and both sides have had input where people can draw there own conclusions. The OP should wash his hands, start a new thread that focuses only on the new build.
This thread is going nowhere and should be closed.
This thread is going nowhere and should be closed.
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The white RS4 is not related to LTMW or that crew. IDK what video youre talking about but their caravan to So Cal Euro merged with ours at some point on the highway, Im assuming it has to be from that day.
In no way are we affiliated with any of those people or that shop. Be careful what you say when you dont have facts. Making threats about making sure "this becomes front page news in the community" is REALLY dangerous when you really dont know what youre talking about. You might want to edit some of your posts now.
In no way are we affiliated with any of those people or that shop. Be careful what you say when you dont have facts. Making threats about making sure "this becomes front page news in the community" is REALLY dangerous when you really dont know what youre talking about. You might want to edit some of your posts now.
Gotta say, hang out with the wrong crowd and it looks bad.
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I agree that the thread has reached it peak.
I think the biggest lessons to take from this is to ALWAYS get a PPI, because unfortunately buying from a "car enthusiast" nowadays holds no merit based on this example. Internet fame does not guarantee honesty from what it seems.
Internet fame does seem help to promote a new company that the seller started by using his wide body car to promote his products and gain exposure. This seems to be the case after looking at their social media.
As mentioned, both parties are at blame unfortunately. Seller for not representing the car honestly, and then not willing to fix things in a timely manner which caused this whole ordeal. He is upset because in the end this affects his business Volkomenn Designs. Buyer is to blame because he did not follow due diligence as a buyer, especially considering they are a shop. Being a bit naive and too trusting can also be a fault here.
Aside from the buyer and seller, this is a good reflection of the quality of work that comes from LTMW. Speaking from experience as a PAST customer of this shop, I am not surprised one bit. You will rarely hear a negative comment on m3post or e90post because they are all fanboys and will protect the shop. But if you are familiar with the forum, all the usual people who have major builds do not go to LTMW, except for Darren aka Creaminz, and a select few who own Liberty Walk cars. Or if people have, they don't return. As of late LTMW has been promoting their work for the likes of well known brands Crooks and Castles and affiliations with Liberty Walk. But unless you are dropping major money, they do not give you the time of day. Even making an appointment means going to their shop and waiting for HOURS to get a bumper install or simple work. I can guarantee many people can confirm this, myself included. Additionally, the crew itself is primarily a young team of what looks to be early to mid 20 something's led by an owner who is rarely there because he's always playing golf, usually with with his good friend Darren from what I've been told when I try to reach Long. It has been about a year or 2 since I have been a customer of this shop so my review only reflects what they been in the recent past. They possibly may have improved.
In the end, regardless of what I say or what people say to defend whoever, the photos above speak the truth. Hopefully we can all learn something here today.
I think the biggest lessons to take from this is to ALWAYS get a PPI, because unfortunately buying from a "car enthusiast" nowadays holds no merit based on this example. Internet fame does not guarantee honesty from what it seems.
Internet fame does seem help to promote a new company that the seller started by using his wide body car to promote his products and gain exposure. This seems to be the case after looking at their social media.
As mentioned, both parties are at blame unfortunately. Seller for not representing the car honestly, and then not willing to fix things in a timely manner which caused this whole ordeal. He is upset because in the end this affects his business Volkomenn Designs. Buyer is to blame because he did not follow due diligence as a buyer, especially considering they are a shop. Being a bit naive and too trusting can also be a fault here.
Aside from the buyer and seller, this is a good reflection of the quality of work that comes from LTMW. Speaking from experience as a PAST customer of this shop, I am not surprised one bit. You will rarely hear a negative comment on m3post or e90post because they are all fanboys and will protect the shop. But if you are familiar with the forum, all the usual people who have major builds do not go to LTMW, except for Darren aka Creaminz, and a select few who own Liberty Walk cars. Or if people have, they don't return. As of late LTMW has been promoting their work for the likes of well known brands Crooks and Castles and affiliations with Liberty Walk. But unless you are dropping major money, they do not give you the time of day. Even making an appointment means going to their shop and waiting for HOURS to get a bumper install or simple work. I can guarantee many people can confirm this, myself included. Additionally, the crew itself is primarily a young team of what looks to be early to mid 20 something's led by an owner who is rarely there because he's always playing golf, usually with with his good friend Darren from what I've been told when I try to reach Long. It has been about a year or 2 since I have been a customer of this shop so my review only reflects what they been in the recent past. They possibly may have improved.
In the end, regardless of what I say or what people say to defend whoever, the photos above speak the truth. Hopefully we can all learn something here today.
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It appears that Creaminz thought he would pay $1000 EVERY month for 10 months, instead of EVERY OTHER month for 10 months, as the OP had texted to him.
Now since that is cleared up, I think Creaminz should take the offer of repaying $5k plus the additional $5K over then following 10 months, and both parties would have learned a lesson and both can move on.
Just my opinion.
Dan
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Maybe I'm giving Creaminz too much credit and he is actually playing word games here.....but, it appears to me to be a bit of misunderstanding in regards to $10K refund.
It appears that Creaminz thought he would pay $1000 EVERY month for 10 months, instead of EVERY OTHER month for 10 months, as the OP had texted to him.
Now since that is cleared up, I think Creaminz should take the offer of repaying $5k plus the additional $5K over then following 10 months, and both parties would have learned a lesson and both can move on.
Just my opinion.
Dan
It appears that Creaminz thought he would pay $1000 EVERY month for 10 months, instead of EVERY OTHER month for 10 months, as the OP had texted to him.
Now since that is cleared up, I think Creaminz should take the offer of repaying $5k plus the additional $5K over then following 10 months, and both parties would have learned a lesson and both can move on.
Just my opinion.
Dan
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Maybe I'm giving Creaminz too much credit and he is actually playing word games here.....but, it appears to me to be a bit of misunderstanding in regards to $10K refund.
It appears that Creaminz thought he would pay $1000 EVERY month for 10 months, instead of EVERY OTHER month for 10 months, as the OP had texted to him.
Now since that is cleared up, I think Creaminz should take the offer of repaying $5k plus the additional $5K over then following 10 months, and both parties would have learned a lesson and both can move on.
Just my opinion.
Dan
It appears that Creaminz thought he would pay $1000 EVERY month for 10 months, instead of EVERY OTHER month for 10 months, as the OP had texted to him.
Now since that is cleared up, I think Creaminz should take the offer of repaying $5k plus the additional $5K over then following 10 months, and both parties would have learned a lesson and both can move on.
Just my opinion.
Dan
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I agree that the thread has reached it peak.
I think the biggest lessons to take from this is to ALWAYS get a PPI, because unfortunately buying from a "car enthusiast" nowadays holds no merit based on this example. Internet fame does not guarantee honesty from what it seems.
Internet fame does seem help to promote a new company that the seller started by using his wide body car to promote his products and gain exposure. This seems to be the case after looking at their social media.
As mentioned, both parties are at blame unfortunately. Seller for not representing the car honestly, and then not willing to fix things in a timely manner which caused this whole ordeal. He is upset because in the end this affects his business Volkomenn Designs. Buyer is to blame because he did not follow due diligence as a buyer, especially considering they are a shop. Being a bit naive and too trusting can also be a fault here.
Aside from the buyer and seller, this is a good reflection of the quality of work that comes from LTMW. Speaking from experience as a PAST customer of this shop, I am not surprised one bit. You will rarely hear a negative comment on m3post or e90post because they are all fanboys and will protect the shop. But if you are familiar with the forum, all the usual people who have major builds do not go to LTMW, except for Darren aka Creaminz, and a select few who own Liberty Walk cars. Or if people have, they don't return. As of late LTMW has been promoting their work for the likes of well known brands Crooks and Castles and affiliations with Liberty Walk. But unless you are dropping major money, they do not give you the time of day. Even making an appointment means going to their shop and waiting for HOURS to get a bumper install or simple work. I can guarantee many people can confirm this, myself included. Additionally, the crew itself is primarily a young team of what looks to be early to mid 20 something's led by an owner who is rarely there because he's always playing golf, usually with with his good friend Darren from what I've been told when I try to reach Long. It has been about a year or 2 since I have been a customer of this shop so my review only reflects what they been in the recent past. They possibly may have improved.
In the end, regardless of what I say or what people say to defend whoever, the photos above speak the truth. Hopefully we can all learn something here today.
I think the biggest lessons to take from this is to ALWAYS get a PPI, because unfortunately buying from a "car enthusiast" nowadays holds no merit based on this example. Internet fame does not guarantee honesty from what it seems.
Internet fame does seem help to promote a new company that the seller started by using his wide body car to promote his products and gain exposure. This seems to be the case after looking at their social media.
As mentioned, both parties are at blame unfortunately. Seller for not representing the car honestly, and then not willing to fix things in a timely manner which caused this whole ordeal. He is upset because in the end this affects his business Volkomenn Designs. Buyer is to blame because he did not follow due diligence as a buyer, especially considering they are a shop. Being a bit naive and too trusting can also be a fault here.
Aside from the buyer and seller, this is a good reflection of the quality of work that comes from LTMW. Speaking from experience as a PAST customer of this shop, I am not surprised one bit. You will rarely hear a negative comment on m3post or e90post because they are all fanboys and will protect the shop. But if you are familiar with the forum, all the usual people who have major builds do not go to LTMW, except for Darren aka Creaminz, and a select few who own Liberty Walk cars. Or if people have, they don't return. As of late LTMW has been promoting their work for the likes of well known brands Crooks and Castles and affiliations with Liberty Walk. But unless you are dropping major money, they do not give you the time of day. Even making an appointment means going to their shop and waiting for HOURS to get a bumper install or simple work. I can guarantee many people can confirm this, myself included. Additionally, the crew itself is primarily a young team of what looks to be early to mid 20 something's led by an owner who is rarely there because he's always playing golf, usually with with his good friend Darren from what I've been told when I try to reach Long. It has been about a year or 2 since I have been a customer of this shop so my review only reflects what they been in the recent past. They possibly may have improved.
In the end, regardless of what I say or what people say to defend whoever, the photos above speak the truth. Hopefully we can all learn something here today.
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From: Somewhere in a galaxy far, far away....
I didn't want to come on here to respond to this thread, thought it was pointless due to people already picking side. It's obvious what people choose to defend, which is fine, Paul made right choice by informing other fellow rennlist members. I respect that. However, I just want to explain, don't want to stir up the pot but I felt that this was necessary. I am not here to defend myself, or asking for forgiveness.
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It was a dog. Leaky shocks, broken sway bar link etc.
either you knew how bad the car was or plead stupidity.
Give the buyer $10k back to make it right and be done with it.
I would then suggest going to the builder of the car and asking him why he fuct you. Either they knew or chances are they have no idea how bad their work is and plead stupidity too....
Kills me to see such bad work on such a good car.
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Dude seriously you need to just chill out and stay out of this you have a hard on to have someone killed this is the F'in internet.
I've been following this thread in the background and felt compelled to comment. OP how much are you asking in return? Looking at all of your post it seems as tho your intentions from the get go looked as if you didn't like the color in the first place and wanted to repaint. If you wanted a purpose built track car you would be upgrading suspension anyway because looking at the photos they look like H&R coilovers which would have been replaced because they would not suffice for track duty. It's a SHOW CAR and would have needed proper bracing, bushings, balancing and links which he did not have. IMO what is fair is he pay for the repair to the engine, links, wheel repair and coilover rebuild which seem to be the problem to have the car at least rolling. You can not hold the original owner to paying for paint or bodywork because you saw the vehicle in person and also had third party go over the vehicle which you believed was obviously good to the eye under 10 feet.
I know a lot of you on here don't want to hear what I have to say because a lot of you seem to have a strong opinion about the situation but in life there is 2 sides to every story and I'm sure he is only stating his side. Personally I hate these kinds of threads because things could have been worked out behind closed doors but when you threaten someone's repuation then they are on the defensive.
Try and work it out next time instead of posting on a public forum even tho I understand your point of letting people know for the future.
I've been following this thread in the background and felt compelled to comment. OP how much are you asking in return? Looking at all of your post it seems as tho your intentions from the get go looked as if you didn't like the color in the first place and wanted to repaint. If you wanted a purpose built track car you would be upgrading suspension anyway because looking at the photos they look like H&R coilovers which would have been replaced because they would not suffice for track duty. It's a SHOW CAR and would have needed proper bracing, bushings, balancing and links which he did not have. IMO what is fair is he pay for the repair to the engine, links, wheel repair and coilover rebuild which seem to be the problem to have the car at least rolling. You can not hold the original owner to paying for paint or bodywork because you saw the vehicle in person and also had third party go over the vehicle which you believed was obviously good to the eye under 10 feet.
I know a lot of you on here don't want to hear what I have to say because a lot of you seem to have a strong opinion about the situation but in life there is 2 sides to every story and I'm sure he is only stating his side. Personally I hate these kinds of threads because things could have been worked out behind closed doors but when you threaten someone's repuation then they are on the defensive.
Try and work it out next time instead of posting on a public forum even tho I understand your point of letting people know for the future.
come on. seriously?
The seller either knew he sold a dog or was a complete moron. Either one is not a good side to the sellers story.
The real crook is the one who did the work...
Car was sold "as is" but considering the seller actually commissioned the build you think he would know what he was selling..... Had it been an auction car for a quick flip then perhaps the seller would have known less hence "as is"
Last edited by tcsracing1; Jan 30, 2015 at 03:26 PM.
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Builder and owner are essentially one and the same. Theyre friends, business associates, etc. This wasnt a random customer going to a shop.
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What shop is this car located at? I'm local and a 911 owner, always looking to find shops with a decent attitude and one local would be nice!
Sux that the person looking the car over missed so much. I also think it's amazing that someone wants to pay back a refund in installments - seriously?! The seller's attitude is also amazing ergo "I felt I got screwed, why shouldn't I pass that along". Wow...
Sux that the person looking the car over missed so much. I also think it's amazing that someone wants to pay back a refund in installments - seriously?! The seller's attitude is also amazing ergo "I felt I got screwed, why shouldn't I pass that along". Wow...
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I believe Creaminz bought his 993 from another shop does similar work like ltbmw does. Bodywork, airride suspension and fabrication. If thats the shop, i wouldn't be surprised how bad the 993 is.
I am not going to comment on the thread and the drama.
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