PDK - Sport Plus/Chrono in manual mode - SURPRISE DOWNSHIFT !!!
#91
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Here we go again. Oh how I wish people would stop parroting this. Its simply not true. In ten years with PCA including several as a region board member and as president where believe you me I heard more than anyone would ever want to hear on this subject, there was not one single instance anyone knew of anywhere in the USA where insurance did not cover a loss at a DE event. And not even special event insurance but just your ordinary everyday driving insurance. I've asked before and will ask again: no rumors, theories or other jawboning, just one example where the insurance company successfully denied a claim. Just one.
Last edited by jimbo1111; 03-09-2015 at 10:28 PM.
#92
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Here we go again. Oh how I wish people would stop parroting this. Its simply not true. In ten years with PCA including several as a region board member and as president where believe you me I heard more than anyone would ever want to hear on this subject, there was not one single instance anyone knew of anywhere in the USA where insurance did not cover a loss at a DE event. And not even special event insurance but just your ordinary everyday driving insurance. I've asked before and will ask again: no rumors, theories or other jawboning, just one example where the insurance company successfully denied a claim. Just one.
For #1, my auto policy is very clear about excluding claims for timed events. I checked about a year ago and my insurance technically stops when I enter the event grounds (not just when I'm actually racing) and begins when I leave the event grounds.
On #2 there are a number of reasons why a claim would be paid even with the policy language: your insurance broker doesn't make note of the DE (or AX) or the insurance company isn't currently watching for it when a claim is filed. Those are just two off the top of my head.
Maybe a DE claim has never been denied but that doesn't mean one won't be. You have to make your own risk assessment. Mine is that I'm not willing to risk the denial on a track. For AX I'm comfortable assuming the risk.
Last edited by Jay-S; 03-09-2015 at 04:53 PM. Reason: clarification
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I think I understand better now why the kick-down switch up-shifts: In a stressful situation the driver might forget that they are in Manual mode.
Suppose you start a pass while in Manual mode, and a car then appears in front of you, you floor the pedal to complete the pass and the car redlines. The kick-down up-shifts the car allowing you to accelerate rather than bouncing off the rev-limiter.
In a manual car, of course you would up shift in this situation without question. But in a PDK car, where you might be driving in Auto mode some or most of the time, I imagine that a driver could forget what mode they are in under stress and not perform the shift. A car bouncing on the rev-limiter is not a good situation. So the car assumes you are under stress and forgot, and does the up-shift for you.
Of course I would like to believe I would never be so stupid as to forget which mode the car is in, but that is probably wishful thinking. Modes are a bad thing exactly for this reason. A solution might be a Manual mode only PDK option. I might well buy one of these.
Mike
Suppose you start a pass while in Manual mode, and a car then appears in front of you, you floor the pedal to complete the pass and the car redlines. The kick-down up-shifts the car allowing you to accelerate rather than bouncing off the rev-limiter.
In a manual car, of course you would up shift in this situation without question. But in a PDK car, where you might be driving in Auto mode some or most of the time, I imagine that a driver could forget what mode they are in under stress and not perform the shift. A car bouncing on the rev-limiter is not a good situation. So the car assumes you are under stress and forgot, and does the up-shift for you.
Of course I would like to believe I would never be so stupid as to forget which mode the car is in, but that is probably wishful thinking. Modes are a bad thing exactly for this reason. A solution might be a Manual mode only PDK option. I might well buy one of these.
Mike
Last edited by mschuster; 03-10-2015 at 02:58 PM.
#94
i have designed a replacement part for the kickdown button. As had been said it is mechanical only, no wires. Just pop out the existing button and replace it with the kickdown eliminator. You can easily return to stock, just takes 1 or 2 minutes.
Let me know if you are interested.
Let me know if you are interested.