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Old 04-15-2015, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
I'm confused why some folks would consider a 2016 model is bad for the GT3. If it does come to pass corporate possibly reviewed the bottom line, and said it has capacity to add more cars. Demand is good, and the car is selling beyond expectations well received by the market. Dealers are not in the board room, and are not included in volume distributions discussions. More supply takes the pressure off over charging by dealers, and that sucks for people buying cars for flipping. A car is a depreciating asset made for personal enjoyment, and not a financial instrument such as the stock market.

Hats off to the people that wanted cars, and now have the chance to get a GT3!!!
Not bad after all GT3 is good car and well positioned
but very bad for GT3.2
Old 04-15-2015, 12:22 PM
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^ Sorry what's bad for the GT3.2 ......
Old 04-15-2015, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
More supply takes the pressure off over charging by dealers, and that sucks for people buying cars for flipping.
The only gt3s (not RS, but base gt3) being over charged (asking mark-up over MSRP) are the additional late '15 allocation PTS vehicles. If Porsche truly wanted to put a stop to this practice, they should announced that PTS is back as an option on any continuing .1 gt3 production in the coming months! Let's see what PAG & PCNA actually does...and what side they are helping (us, the customers or their dealers?) with all of this lack of clarity as to supply! What is creating a market unbalance is Porsche's own lack of transparency in the ordering process! And it's not clear to me if we truly know if PAG/PCNA action are deliberately misleading to create 'panic' buying for these niche products or if it's just bad management & ineptness!

Read post #32
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...ey-gt3s-3.html

And same for Cayman gt4 & some 991 gt3 RS:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...n-process.html



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Old 04-15-2015, 12:33 PM
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Maybe there will be no 991.2 GT3 anymore
Old 04-15-2015, 12:48 PM
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:55 PM
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Remember a few weeks ago PAG/PCNA were canvassing the dealers to determine RS demand? Don't know what they found, but maybe it had a bearing on what is happening know. Also remember that the Stop order back in 2015 set back GT3 production quotas. Maybe that is why these new allocations are coming up. Also is there anything that keeps PAG from labeling a GT3 June or later build as 2015? I don't know, but have seen shenanigans over the years from different manufacturers with respect to MY.
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Originally Posted by Tosilog
Maybe there will be no 991.2 GT3 anymore
That is what I am thinking too.
991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS.

991.2 Gt2 and Gt2RS. No 991.2 Gt3
Old 04-15-2015, 02:10 PM
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I wish we could get some clarity if they will be making a GT3 for 2016. I would like to get a PTS spot
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Originally Posted by Just in time
Also is there anything that keeps PAG from labeling a GT3 June or later build as 2015? I don't know, but have seen shenanigans over the years from different manufacturers with respect to MY.
PAG would do June & later builds as MY2015 only, for example, if MY2016 regulations in the US would mandate something (e.g. engine emissions) that they are incapable of complying with. US regulations usually start as of Jan 1 of any given year. BMW did 1 1/2 model year M3's as MY1995s because their engines didnt comply with MY1996 US regulations. And Porsche manufactured a mechanical fuel injection 911T in MY1973 until late Fall of 1972. Then switch to Bosch K-jetronic CIS so that 911T built after Jan 1, 1973 would qualify for US MY1973 emissions.

I don't think that is the case in this instance since the 991 gt3 RS will qualify as a MY2016 with basically the same gt3 engine!

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Old 04-15-2015, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
I wish we could get some clarity if they will be making a GT3 for 2016. I would like to get a PTS spot
I already spoke to my SA and requested that he keep tabs on the the possibility of a 16 GT3. I'd go for Lava Orange (aka Blutorange/Tangerine) if they offered it as a special color.
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Originally Posted by Superman32
That is what I am thinking too.
991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS.

991.2 Gt2 and Gt2RS. No 991.2 Gt3
+1
Old 04-15-2015, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kosmo
I dont understand all the fush. Why wouldnt there be a '16 given the launch fiasco.
Yeah, maybe. They did say, a few times, that they've got limited production capacity (Porsche Motorsports is a small-ish team), that they have to wind down GT3 production to make room for GT3 RS (and now GT4) production. Whether or not that's to be believed is a different story.

Originally Posted by fxz
unless RS is not everywhere heavily sold
that would be the only real reason to bring back to life GT3 prod line

but i am skeptical on these rumors
Considering there are more deposits, along with deposits turned away when wait lists got too long, than they could possibly produce enough GT3 RS's for (right now), I don't think this is a problem.

Originally Posted by Tosilog
Maybe there will be no 991.2 GT3 anymore
Originally Posted by Superman32
That is what I am thinking too.
991.1 GT3 and GT3 RS.

991.2 Gt2 and Gt2RS. No 991.2 Gt3
Never gonna happen. It's almost a given that there will be a 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS, and a 992 GT3 and 992 GT3 RS. At least, if you believe what Andreas Preuninger has been saying in the media this year (multiple times). The GT2 / GT2 RS is actually an after thought -- he was quoted (in Geneva?) saying that they're looking into it after enough customers have asked for one, and then he later said that it's a strong possibility to come towards the end of the 991 generation (ending the 991.2 run).

The GT2 has never sold in the way the GT3 has. I doubt that'll change with the 991 generation. PAG knows this. They will never only put out a GT2.

They've also gone on the record multiple times, and different folks (not just AP), to say that the GT3 will remain N/A for a while (I'm assuming at least through the end of the 992 generation).
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
I wish we could get some clarity if they will be making a GT3 for 2016. I would like to get a PTS spot
+1
Old 04-15-2015, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern
Yeah, maybe. They did say, a few times, that they've got limited production capacity (Porsche Motorsports is a small-ish team), that they have to wind down GT3 production to make room for GT3 RS (and now GT4) production. Whether or not that's to be believed is a different story.



Considering there are more deposits, along with deposits turned away when wait lists got too long, than they could possibly produce enough GT3 RS's for (right now), I don't think this is a problem.





Never gonna happen. It's almost a given that there will be a 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 RS, and a 992 GT3 and 992 GT3 RS. At least, if you believe what Andreas Preuninger has been saying in the media this year (multiple times). The GT2 / GT2 RS is actually an after thought -- he was quoted (in Geneva?) saying that they're looking into it after enough customers have asked for one, and then he later said that it's a strong possibility to come towards the end of the 991 generation (ending the 991.2 run).

The GT2 has never sold in the way the GT3 has. I doubt that'll change with the 991 generation. PAG knows this. They will never only put out a GT2.

They've also gone on the record multiple times, and different folks (not just AP), to say that the GT3 will remain N/A for a while (I'm assuming at least through the end of the 992 generation).
Where is it confirmed that they'll be a .2RS? Unless there is a change of engine, it's not gonna happen.. And change of engine is not happening except if they go turbo. They'll release a .2RS to extract 20 more hp from the same engine?
Improve the chassis? No way! What is the range of improvement in that?
They went to the extremes with weight saving. Half the panels are carbon fiber, the glass is thiner! What else?
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Originally Posted by karimgt3
Where is it confirmed that they'll be a .2RS? Unless there is a change of engine, it's not gonna happen.. And change of engine is not happening except if they go turbo. They'll release a .2RS to extract 20 more hp from the same engine?
Improve the chassis? No way! What is the range of improvement in that?
They went to the extremes with weight saving. Half the panels are carbon fiber, the glass is thiner! What else?
I didn't say anyone confirmed a 991.2 GT2 RS, specifically, will hit. But, AP did confirm that they're working on a GT2 / GT2 RS to end the 991 generation.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...he-911-gt-cars

Preuninger confirmed that a new GT2 RS would be built but said it would not be for the existing series of the 911. Instead, it will come at the end of the life of the Gen 2 car, probably in 2018.


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