Forget Range Tests-Actual Day to Day Range While Having Fun
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Forget Range Tests-Actual Day to Day Range While Having Fun
So I’ve seen countless studies along with owner posts on this forum about distance range data. However, I bought this car to have some fun with some spirited driving. Otherwise, I would have bought a different car. I’ve had the car about three weeks now and have averaged 2.3 miles per KW. Based on 83 usable KW battery this would suggest an average range of 190 miles under my regular usage. I live in Southern California and have a 4S with 21 inch Mission E wheels and like to “hit the hammer” at least a few times on each 20-30 minute drive I make. I don’t think that’s too bad given my scenario. While certainly drIving scenarios matter a lot, I’m wondering if that data is in line with what others are seeing? Also, does anyone know the range impact of having 20 versus 21 inch wheels?
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So I’ve seen countless studies along with owner posts on this forum about distance range data. However, I bought this car to have some fun with some spirited driving. Otherwise, I would have bought a different car. I’ve had the car about three weeks now and have averaged 2.3 miles per KW. Based on 83 usable KW battery this would suggest an average range of 190 miles under my regular usage. I live in Southern California and have a 4S with 21 inch Mission E wheels and like to “hit the hammer” at least a few times on each 20-30 minute drive I make. I don’t think that’s too bad given my scenario. While certainly drIving scenarios matter a lot, I’m wondering if that data is in line with what others are seeing? Also, does anyone know the range impact of having 20 versus 21 inch wheels?
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So I’ve seen countless studies along with owner posts on this forum about distance range data. However, I bought this car to have some fun with some spirited driving. Otherwise, I would have bought a different car. I’ve had the car about three weeks now and have averaged 2.3 miles per KW. Based on 83 usable KW battery this would suggest an average range of 190 miles under my regular usage. I live in Southern California and have a 4S with 21 inch Mission E wheels and like to “hit the hammer” at least a few times on each 20-30 minute drive I make. I don’t think that’s too bad given my scenario. While certainly drIving scenarios matter a lot, I’m wondering if that data is in line with what others are seeing? Also, does anyone know the range impact of having 20 versus 21 inch wheels?
The summary is, while driving aggressively (triple digit speeds, hard breaking and acceleration, etc) I basically hit the EPA rated range of 192 miles. When driving less spiritedly I was easily hitting 250+ miles. It was a fantastic experience and showed that the Taycan can be driven in a spirited way without dramatically sacrificing range. However, if you take the Taycan to the track it's a completely different story.
Epic 5 day Road Rally through Colorado
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Manitou awesome post and trip! You note in that article that you got .371 KW/mile. At 83 usable miles by my math that would actually support a range of 223 miles which is amazing for spirited driving as you describe with a group of Ferrari's!
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To show how fast the charging networks are expanding, two DC faster have been added along the route we took since October. One in Montrose, CO (62.5kW) and one in Estes Park (125kW). So now I can do the entire road trip and have fast charging available along 4 out of the 5 days, in remote areas of Colorado.
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Wanted to get any more info on consumption data for routes that include "spirited driving".
Did a drive with local Porsche buddies yesterday in my 997 Turbo S that ended up being about 205 miles round trip. Trip would have been around 120 miles of highway transit at 80 MPH, and the other 85 miles backroads with speed limits up to 65 and some, uh, "spirited" driving. As @daveo4porsche and I were discussing, that area is a total charging desert.
This is one of the longer out-and-back runs we do. We've done runs of similar length, but they aren't as far out and actually end up passing by a charger, or I have easier bail out points. This would be a worse case scenario.
In a 4S with PB Plus, I'd be knocking on the door of max rated range. I know others have gotten further, and using the rough math of 85 kWh times a, hopefully conservative, 2.5 mi/kWh, that yields just over 212 miles of range. Think I would have made this route? I certainly would have had range mode on the highway transit home!
For those of you wondering why, my 997 Turbo S is now my daily and I really do need something more practical. But honestly don't want to leave the Porsche fold. Love EV's, and wife is getting a new Cayenne so while a Panamera had crossed my mind, it'd be very similar. And, TBH, I think the Taycan is way freaking cooler than a Panny.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Wanted to get any more info on consumption data for routes that include "spirited driving".
Did a drive with local Porsche buddies yesterday in my 997 Turbo S that ended up being about 205 miles round trip. Trip would have been around 120 miles of highway transit at 80 MPH, and the other 85 miles backroads with speed limits up to 65 and some, uh, "spirited" driving. As @daveo4porsche and I were discussing, that area is a total charging desert.
This is one of the longer out-and-back runs we do. We've done runs of similar length, but they aren't as far out and actually end up passing by a charger, or I have easier bail out points. This would be a worse case scenario.
In a 4S with PB Plus, I'd be knocking on the door of max rated range. I know others have gotten further, and using the rough math of 85 kWh times a, hopefully conservative, 2.5 mi/kWh, that yields just over 212 miles of range. Think I would have made this route? I certainly would have had range mode on the highway transit home!
For those of you wondering why, my 997 Turbo S is now my daily and I really do need something more practical. But honestly don't want to leave the Porsche fold. Love EV's, and wife is getting a new Cayenne so while a Panamera had crossed my mind, it'd be very similar. And, TBH, I think the Taycan is way freaking cooler than a Panny.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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***THREAD BUMP***
Wanted to get any more info on consumption data for routes that include "spirited driving".
Did a drive with local Porsche buddies yesterday in my 997 Turbo S that ended up being about 205 miles round trip. Trip would have been around 120 miles of highway transit at 80 MPH, and the other 85 miles backroads with speed limits up to 65 and some, uh, "spirited" driving. As @daveo4porsche and I were discussing, that area is a total charging desert.
This is one of the longer out-and-back runs we do. We've done runs of similar length, but they aren't as far out and actually end up passing by a charger, or I have easier bail out points. This would be a worse case scenario.
In a 4S with PB Plus, I'd be knocking on the door of max rated range. I know others have gotten further, and using the rough math of 85 kWh times a, hopefully conservative, 2.5 mi/kWh, that yields just over 212 miles of range. Think I would have made this route? I certainly would have had range mode on the highway transit home!
For those of you wondering why, my 997 Turbo S is now my daily and I really do need something more practical. But honestly don't want to leave the Porsche fold. Love EV's, and wife is getting a new Cayenne so while a Panamera had crossed my mind, it'd be very similar. And, TBH, I think the Taycan is way freaking cooler than a Panny.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Wanted to get any more info on consumption data for routes that include "spirited driving".
Did a drive with local Porsche buddies yesterday in my 997 Turbo S that ended up being about 205 miles round trip. Trip would have been around 120 miles of highway transit at 80 MPH, and the other 85 miles backroads with speed limits up to 65 and some, uh, "spirited" driving. As @daveo4porsche and I were discussing, that area is a total charging desert.
This is one of the longer out-and-back runs we do. We've done runs of similar length, but they aren't as far out and actually end up passing by a charger, or I have easier bail out points. This would be a worse case scenario.
In a 4S with PB Plus, I'd be knocking on the door of max rated range. I know others have gotten further, and using the rough math of 85 kWh times a, hopefully conservative, 2.5 mi/kWh, that yields just over 212 miles of range. Think I would have made this route? I certainly would have had range mode on the highway transit home!
For those of you wondering why, my 997 Turbo S is now my daily and I really do need something more practical. But honestly don't want to leave the Porsche fold. Love EV's, and wife is getting a new Cayenne so while a Panamera had crossed my mind, it'd be very similar. And, TBH, I think the Taycan is way freaking cooler than a Panny.
Thanks for your thoughts.
but you may need a charge ASAP when you are back in civilization…
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Unfortunately, the car is only half the user equation. The charging experience is the other half. I am still a neophyte in the ownership experience (almost 2 years in). I have come to the conclusion that in the near term, an EV can never be my only vehicle in the near term. It is a shame, but the resources I expend in the future will reflect my user experience - simply one has to be insane to ignore the reality.
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@991carreradriver Agree completely. However, and this is not a commentary on Tesla the vehicle, Tesla has shown that EV life can be pretty easy. I live most of the year with a Model S as my only vehicle and make regular long distance road trips. Zero range or charging issues due to the large number of reliable chargers. The tragedy is how the CCS networks were built. Only VW was involved as a manufacturer and that involvement seems limited to simply funding Electrify America. Every manufacturer (except one) is selling EVs knowing their customers do not have access to reliable charging networks when away from home. That's a fail. Given the government's push for electrification of the vehicle fleet I'm astounded by the current status. I have no time crunch when traveling so I'm willing to deal with CCS charging hiccups but I certainly do understand your hesitancy.
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i've owned my 4S CT for 5 days now. right now just putt-putting around town as a daily. pleasantly surprised at how accurate the range estimator is, unlike the tesla random range generator. i think porsche strategy of regen + coasting is actually more efficient. it did take me a few hours to unlearn one pedal driving having owned a tesla for a few years.
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i've owned my 4S CT for 5 days now. right now just putt-putting around town as a daily. pleasantly surprised at how accurate the range estimator is, unlike the tesla random range generator. i think porsche strategy of regen + coasting is actually more efficient. it did take me a few hours to unlearn one pedal driving having owned a tesla for a few years.
I also really like the ‘cruise’ function that Audi uses just like Porsche. It’s amazing how rabid some ‘OPD’ owners can be telling anyone who’ll listen that a cruising function is stupid! The best of both worlds is for the manufacturers to simply allow us to choose various levels of regeneration; cruising and OPD. Simply software.
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@991carreradriver .... Zero range or charging issues due to the large number of reliable chargers. The tragedy is how the CCS networks were built. ....
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You and I have disagreed on many. This post you made is absolutely spot on! Thank you.
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