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Old Feb 22, 2020 | 01:57 PM
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I can remember a long period of time that "new" cars didn't spontaneously burst into flames. Plenty have gone up due to shoddy maintenance and repair after being driven for a decade but "new" cars going up in flames seems to be a problem that needs to be looked into currently. As a car owner for almost 4 decades none of the ones I have owned just burst into flames while sitting unused. Not even the ****ty used ones I bought.
Back in the early 1980s, my mother had her Cadillac Eldorado turn into a car-b-que. It was a '78, so a pretty new car at the time. One day while driving it, it started 'running a little funny'. She pulled into a gas station, and the attendant said it all looked fine. But she called my dad to come and follow her home anyway. While en-route, my dad saw flames coming out from under the car. He furiously honked his horn until she pulled over, and the whole car went up in flames.

I hope Porsche gets to the bottom of whatever happened to this Taycan - and fast. Would not be good to have a reputation for fires with so few cars delivered.
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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by venom51
I can remember a long period of time that "new" cars didn't spontaneously burst into flames. Plenty have gone up due to shoddy maintenance and repair after being driven for a decade but "new" cars going up in flames seems to be a problem that needs to be looked into currently. As a car owner for almost 4 decades none of the ones I have owned just burst into flames while sitting unused. Not even the ****ty used ones I bought.
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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 03:45 PM
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Clearly we can't read....

Was that sitting parked when it burst into flames? In use fires happen all the time. It's the parked a doing nothing fires in new vehicles I am concerned about.
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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 04:38 PM
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It's certainly a "thing" with BMW's.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious...ry?id=60843215

"Despite continued reports of parked BMWs bursting into flames, the government watchdog for automotive safety does not have an active investigation into possible causes.
Consumers have filed more than 90 complaints about the issue to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, including 30 since ABC News first brought the problem to the public's attention, prompting critics to call for a federal probe."


I suppose they're too busy investigating BEV fires to address the 90 spontaneous combustion instances of BMW of late.
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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 04:40 PM
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I've read once or twice that the rate of car fires is 10X lower for battery EVs. Very different sort of fires, though. Battery fires are concentrated but can't be extinguished. Gasoline fires may spread if the leak is big, but can be put out. (Battery fires are not really fires - they are reactions within themselves; no oxygen required.) Outcomes might vary according to whether or not people are in the car. For garage fires, I wonder which gives you more time to get out, and gives firemen more time to save the house.
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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyefrog
It's certainly a "thing" with BMW's.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mysterious...ry?id=60843215

"Despite continued reports of parked BMWs bursting into flames, the government watchdog for automotive safety does not have an active investigation into possible causes.
Consumers have filed more than 90 complaints about the issue to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, including 30 since ABC News first brought the problem to the public's attention, prompting critics to call for a federal probe."


I suppose they're too busy investigating BEV fires to address the 90 spontaneous combustion instances of BMW of late.

Or maybe not. I have already checked this. ( and you have already posted this, so why do we see this BS again, please?)

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...claims.168823/

BMW ICE models have better noncrash fire rates than all cars, and are in line with all luxury models. The bad guy is however the BMW i3 with range extender.



Non crash fires are more frequent in 2018 compared to 2011. I can't find older data.
All cars 2016-2018: 7000 year/claim
All cars 2011-2013: 8400 year/claim

(year/claim: the higher the safer)

"All luxury" degraded quite a bit, but still better than "all cars":
2016-2018: 8300 year/ claim
2011-2013: 11300 year/claim


Model S AWD: 4200 - 5300 year/claim
Model X AWD: 3200 - 3600 year/claim
BMW i3 REX: 3000 - 4500 year/claim

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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 04:53 PM
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Now here is the frequency with vehicle age for all cars



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Old Feb 23, 2020 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Adk46
I've read once or twice that the rate of car fires is 10X lower for battery EVs. Very different sort of fires, though. Battery fires are concentrated but can't be extinguished. Gasoline fires may spread if the leak is big, but can be put out. (Battery fires are not really fires - they are reactions within themselves; no oxygen required.) Outcomes might vary according to whether or not people are in the car. For garage fires, I wonder which gives you more time to get out, and gives firemen more time to save the house.
If I remember correctly that 10x is true for in-crash fire rates.
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Old Feb 27, 2020 | 01:54 AM
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I haven’t seen Porschevsaying this is not the cars fault - you would think they could determine that pretty easy and they would want to say that if true ... me thinks this is getting interesting.
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Old Feb 27, 2020 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by daveo4porsche
I haven’t seen Porschevsaying this is not the cars fault - you would think they could determine that pretty easy and they would want to say that if true ... me thinks this is getting interesting.
That time when a 918 got burnt down at a gas station in Toronto, Porsche took more than 3 weeks to determine it's not their fault, and that was with a security video showing what had happened.

This time there is no video recording, and only charred remains.
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Old Feb 27, 2020 | 03:37 PM
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Seems there are conspiracy theorists who believe that unless a manufacturer instantly states that they reviewed their proprietary logs and it isn't their fault, that something is suspicious.

Adjust your tin foil hats, maybe add an extra layer.

Besides, someone here said their friend knows the owner and that the house burned down, so maybe the investigation requires a bit more work to get at the root cause.

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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 11:56 AM
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Subarus had a problem of catching fire also. Elements in the heated seats caused some to go up in flames while just sitting int he parking lot.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AWDGuy
Subarus had a problem of catching fire also. Elements in the heated seats caused some to go up in flames while just sitting int he parking lot.
On a warm summer day long ago while driving my '82 Saab Turbo, I felt something odd under my butt. Stuck my hand underneath and Yow! Got a burn resembling a heater wire. Fortunately, regained control without incident. The fuse blew shortly afterwards, thank goodness.

Porsche is lucky that the media is still focussed exclusively on Tesla incidents. Nothing on Nightly News about the crispy Taycan. Nevertheless, Porsche executives should continue to avoid smoking dope on camera.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 12:34 PM
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Considering Porsche test drove the Tacyan a reputed 4 million real life miles all over the world with nary a rumor; scuttlebutt or photo of one on fire. I''m predisposed to wait, and/or give them the benefit of the doubt (till proven otherwise) here.

We'll see?
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Adk46

Porsche is lucky that the media is still focussed exclusively on Tesla incidents.
Yeah, amazing that the media hasn't covered this and it only is exclusively focused on Tesla. If it wasn't for bloomberg, cnbc, businessinsider, yahoo, cnet, electrek, theverge, caranddriver, motortrend, insideevs, cleantechnica, and others, we never would have known about it!

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