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Vastly inferior - cobblers, its superior in every way other than range and most people average less than 100km per day in Europe. I doubt your cleaning lady knows anything - deal in facts not supposition.
My cleaning lady cleaned this exact model from day 1.
Most people with Porsches in Germany are driving them on the autobahn. What's the range of the Taycan at speed?
Same and I expect to cancel. Looks not attractive enough, range to low, and price too high. Porsche screwed up here. They are protecting their existing pricing structure. Result: A competitor will eat their lunch. Classic business error.
Porsche objects to the data disclosure rules about their customers that are required for Android auto support - apparently they value your privacy.
Also, the challenge of writing to the fragmented Android platform is a cluster, not to mention the lack of timely security updates given how Samsung and others put a skin on the OS. With Android, you’re the product, not the customer. It’s spyware, pure and simple.
I could never buy a Tesla - the quality, fit and finish just aren’t there, besides having hideous interiors. Elon legitimized EVs, so he gets props for that.
I’ll wait for Taycan Gen 2 or 3, but that was always my plan. I think Porsche has a superior EV option, albeit at a premium price (as if that should surprise anyone).
I'm not pulling my deposit but sitting this generation out. I will roll the deposit over into the new RS or something like that unless Porsche does a decent refresh (seems unlikely within 2 years though)
Porsche's ludicrous mode is on the sticker... There will be takers no doubt, the same folks that are good w $130k for a Tesla. But volumes will disappoint just like the current gen Panamera.
well I think it's safe to say that Porsche has not delivered when it comes to the Taycan - and their pricing is beyond ridiculous. Are you yanking your deposit?
I’m out! That price is nuts. Dealers will be overstocked on these in just a few months and you will be able to buy one at invoice. A 3 month old used Taycan will be 70% of retail. Don’t believe me? Ask your dealer for a guaranteed buy back number in 3 months.
Battery tech is improving at lightning pace, electric drive trains are cheap. The price here is the fail. Can you even begin to imagine what a 5yr old Taycan would be worth... Brutal.. Like a laptop, EV's need to be priced to upgrade when the tech gets old, which is fast.. When Toyota start building EV's with the same 0-100's in a Camry body for a Camry price the value proposition of high end EV's will be out in the daylight.
I remember my dealer asking if I wanted to put down a deposit when the mission-E was just a baby, with virtually no information he was still 99% sure it would be priced the same as a Tesla model S and that they would fly off the shelves.. Here in Australia we get pumped on luxury cars... a model S is around AUD150k. Looking at the US price list the Taycan is priced the same as a Panamera Turbo and Turbo S E-hybrid, AUD419k and AUD498k respectively. There is no way in hell if the Taycan is released at those numbers here it would be a wise purchase.
Porsche objects to the data disclosure rules about their customers that are required for Android auto support - apparently they value your privacy.
Originally Posted by WernerE
Also, the challenge of writing to the fragmented Android platform is a cluster, not to mention the lack of timely security updates given how Samsung and others put a skin on the OS. With Android, you’re the product, not the customer. It’s spyware, pure and simple.
Not to derail the thread, but you have it backwards, Porsche values their privacy because Google requires the car data being shared as well. Don't forget who produces Porsche's own phone and what OS it runs: https://consumer.huawei.com/us/phone...design-mate10/
Taycan deposit returned. I’m keeping my Tesla M3 performance, which for $55,000 vs the $150,000 Taycan, the Tesla M3 has the same 0-60 time, much better range, and much better charging network, weighs 1,000 lbs less.
And all for 1/3 of the price!
You could even go to a custom upholstery shop and have everything trimmed in a custom shade of Nappa leather and it would still be half the price of the Taycan while delivering better performance.
Probably not the best thread but given that Taycan pricing is out of this world, what the heck... For ~$50k AWD Tesla, new M3 or slightly used MS? A used S still looks much better and feels like much more car for the money. What are the reasons one would pick a new M3 vs a slightly used MS? More range per buck? How will these fare out of (4yr?) warranty? Any Tesla CPO?
Btw, is the leather in the S real vs faux in the 3?
Requested my deposit back today despite feeling optimistic yesterday....
While happy about the styling being close to Mission E, liking the interior styling including screens, unconcerned about range, and convinced of the performance, I just couldn’t get passed the high price combined with lack of utility, especially cargo space (half a regular Panamera’s) and rear passenger room (low headroom and legroom).
I know it’s not as sexy, but Audi e-Tron SUV, which I borrowed for 2 days recently from dealer, is an excellent vehicle and maxes out at $86K loaded, less than half price of Taycan Turbo as I would configure one (mid $170K’s). It has Audi design and build quality if you’re not a Tesla fan (I’m not). You can even get modest discounts on them from some dealers, and the full $7500 tax credit. I’m seriously considering one now in light of Taycan disappointment.
Alternatively, a Panamera Turbo (not e-Hybrid) is looking like a better option than Taycan. Drives and performs great. More room. Lower weight. And I can buy used 2018 with negligible miles for well under $150K that has MSRP over $180K.
Finally, in the lead up to Taycan reveal, Audi revealed RS6 Avant coming to US next year. Which will be $50K cheaper we’ll optioned than a Taycan Turbo as I would option it. Way more room. Comparable performance and equal or better cosmetic design and luxury and tech. Will probably hold value better too (RS). Frankly, What I wish the Taycan had been is an all electric Audi RS6 Avant. For that, I’d be willing to pay $25-$35K premium over the cost of a regular Audi RS6 Avant.
To rich person who doesn't look at price tags: please configure my car like this. Then walk away from the deal when it gets to the dealer. PM when this happens so I can try to scoop it up for $20-30k less
The point is, outside of range - its a game changer - the first EV to offer real performance as it can handle the track environment out of the box (based on the fact its the first mass market EV to post a respectabe ring time) and for those that want a performance EV this matters (including the fast charging).
I don't see the Taycan as a game changer at all. It's "just" a good looking Porsche EV.
It's a Panamera interior with more screens and is similar in size. It has similar brakes and probably suspension to other Porsche vehicles. It doesn't out accelerate a Tesla Model S P100D. It's not nearly as efficient as a Tesla and doesn't have the range. At this point, it doesn't charge any faster either. Yes it turned a decent time on the Nurbergring, but it's not earth shattering performance. It's not faster than all other sedans on the market and not even as fast as the current Panamera Turbo.
When the P100D hit the market it blew away everything on the road in a straight line. And pretty much continues to do so. Tesla was the first to introduce the large touch screen which is now copied by many automakers. First with over the air updates. First with over 200 miles of range and now over 300 miles with 400 miles probably happening soon. First with a huge high speed charging network. It goes on and on.
If the Taycan had been more of a game changer, the price would be justified. It is absolutely gorgeous and Porsche is still arguably my favorite brand. But it's completely lacking in the wow factor.
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