I don't think people are trashing the Taycan at all, I'm sure it's 100x better than a Tesla and yes I have driven the Model S (shocking build quality, terrible driving experience. Couldn't give two sh*ts about the 0-100, the whining sound of the electric motors is enough to put me off flooring one at all, I'd rather an old V8 that does 0-100 in 5sec but does it with some theater). quite simply people are trashing the price..

 

You’d have to get your head examined if you actually follow through on a Taycan Turbo S. You could buy a GT3 RS for $207k with $40k markup and you’d lose $100k less in depreciation over 3 years. Oh and it’s way better around a racetrack, it can do more than 18 laps and doesn’t need a tow vehicle to get home.

 

That comparison is about as compelling as saying there’s no way I’d pay a hooker $1000 when I could get arguably the same thrills with a Playboy magazine.

No no one is cross-shopping an EV with a GT3RS.

 

Absolutely they are - especially an EV from Porsche. Buying two 200k+ vehicles isn't the norm.

 

Depends on who you hang out with.

But really, lots of people may not buy, but they certainly lease two or more 200k cars.

 

Ya...lots of people do...many of them frequent this forum.

...but someone looking at a Porsche with 200k in their pocket is probably cross shopping between the two. I bet a lot of would-be buyers will decide between a 911 C4S and a Taycan 4S as well.

I don't necessarily agree with his assertion that depreciation would be the definitive reason you should choose a 3RS over a Taycan but it's probably something many people will consider.

 

I placed my deposit in March 2018. My dealer informed me today that they will have test cars this fall and that if I order the first cars will not be available until summer 2020 that’s nine months away Which would put the 4s availability sometime in spring of 2021 the EV landscape will be completely different by then.... so I’m out

 

‘wow if true soooo much more fail...Tesla moves quick - they may have raised the specs by then to match exceed taycan specs - interior even.

 

Simple. Should have been under $100k and over 300 miles range. 0-60 under 4s is irrelevant and unnecessary for a luxury sedan.

 

Unreal never thought I see the of a EV for 200k .......we’ve gone mad in the world

 

for 200k it needs to be better across the board - not equal - better - and in the major category of EV efficiency it's actually substantially worse (not slightly, substantially) - all the other stuff there are some wins, some equal, and some "sames"

range = way worse
charge rate = equal to V3 Superchargers, but probably not any real way you can encounter in the wild for a while - and worse than Supercharger V3 for any fast chargers you can actually encounter (50 kW being the standard for the US if you don't upgrade makes it's equal to a Chevy Bolt in terms of charging speed, i.e. not great)
price = well we all know about price
performance = equal to better, but not by any margin that matters
handling = best in class - the new benchmark
shipping today? = hmmmmmm still haven't got dates for when an actual customer can drive one of these home - am I the only one that finds that odd?

so more it has from a practical point of view about hte same stats as a Chevy Bolt as an EV...

240 miles range (the 2020 Bolt has 269)
50 kW 400 volt charging limit (the majority of fast DC chargers available in the US are 400 volt systems)

actually the Chevy Bolt is slightly faster -in that actual customers have actually seen 55-58 kW briefly when the battery is really empty. Porsche states their default 400V fast charging system is 50 kW - to get more you have to upgrade to the 150 kW fastDC system which will then max out at 150 kW - faster than the Bolt, but slower than V3 Superchargers. To get more than 150 kW you have to be using a 800V charger which at the moment we can clearly state is an infrastructure that has yet to be built out, where there are 800V systems they are poorly maintained or understood because there is no one using them on a daily basis, and gen 1 Taycan will be limited to 270 kW which is only 20 kW more than V3 superchargers…

Taycan range = fail
Taycan fast charging = too complex to explain to most customers - unlikely to deliver any actual benefit for quite awhile…. so also fail

 

Went from low on the list to top of the list according to my dealer. Range is a big issue for me as a "daily" driver, it needs to get to actually do longer trips. Will see what the new Rivian SUV/pickup delivers.

 

phone call from Bay Area Porsche dealer yesterday that's holding my reservation/deposit

sales: hello - we are ready to take your Turbo/Turbo S order - do you want to pursue your Taycan at this time - you'll be one of the first customer with a Taycansales: may I ask why you are choosing not pursue your Taycan reservation?sales: oh ok, we're hearing that lot - should I call you when we have details on a 4Ssales: it's a shame, it's such a nice car but a lot of reservation holders are taking the same path, from what I can tell you'll be about the same position in line for a 4S - I'll keep in touch.
me: one last question, when can I touch, feel and sit in a Taycan for dealer demonstration

 

Consistent with the recent discussion with my local dealer (RE: most reservation holders waiting for the 4S and dealer demonstration).

 

I have to wonder how much of the performance of the Taycan is programmable. If they can make the changes like Tesla did to improve the performance of the Model 3P, the reason we don't see Taycans in the hands of customers yet is that they are taking the latest track data to improve the setup of the Taycans before they send them off to customers. No matter what happens on the track right now (this week) between Porsche and Tesla it is very likely that the customers when they do receive their cars that they will find them even better than the present mules being tested.

Competition is always good for the customers.

Earl Colby Pottinger (Tesla, Taycan, Bollinger, Rivian and other BEVs fan)