Laughable! Anymore insightful words of wisdom?

 

Once someone resorts to the term "fan boy”, it’s clear they’ve lost the argument. Especially here- are we not all Porsche fan boys?

On another subject: Amazon made no money for years, on purpose, to develop a new and dominant business. Growth companies are not supposed to have profits.

 

Amazon is a good example. It is successful because investors allowed, not easy but they have allowed, the company to make no money for years. Investors allowed, again not easy, Tesla to lose money for years too. Not saying none of the auto CEO has the foresight but the challenge is how to convince the board and shareholders how you're going to do it. It's obvious the outgoing BMW CEO does not know how.

 

Another naive comparison!

Again, Tesla is company whose products are in a search of a significant market!
The key determinant is not whether a company makes money as a startup, but what the future market potential is.
Tesla, if it is successful - doubtful, will be just be another automotive OEM with a marginal ROR without any key ecosystem/rent to leverage.
A real joke to ever compare the future of Tesla to actual growth companies that provide unique market value, e.g. Apple, Amazon, Facebook, etc.

 

Why so much hate if it's going to be just another automotive OEM?

 

I'm too old to be naive about anything. You'll have to find some other insult to throw at me, but you'll have to skip over "ignorant" - I own a Tesla, and TSLA. Both winners at this time.

Your guesses about the future seem to be influenced by anger towards Tesla. Why? So far, it is a great American success story. When did you first predict it would fail? In 2003? 2012? 2016? Not a bad prediction early on, but do you have criteria for when you'll stop? If they reach a million cars annually, will you stop? Why not be pleased with its progress? Why hope it will fail? For some, it's all wrapped up in something they believe is a gigantic hoax.

Sure is hot today.

I hope Tesla does not fail, but who knows. I hope Porsche is successful with the Taycan, but I'd say that is equally uncertain, or less: can ICE dealers be expected to sell low-maintenance cars? Gosh, my dealer is going crazy trying to get me to come in for an intermediate service. Will they jump all the way to full modernity, or only half way?

But I'm not at all uncertain about steadily increasing sales of EVs. That's from my own experience, the reactions of friends, and my long observation of trends and the underlying forces that drive them.

 

I am a Tesla Fan Boy - I am here because I want to see if Porsche can at-last produce a BEV that will give Tesla a run for the money. I want Tesla to feel the heat from some competitor so it will do better still in the future. So far the companies with way more money, more factories, decades more experience building cars have so far tried to sell what to me is junk compared to the Tesla cars.

I want to see a good design delivered, and I will not 100% say Porsche will do it until they deliver units that can be independently tested.

I hope the Taycan is good, I really want it to be good. But lets be honest, in terms of looks the Mission-E was top dog - why, oh, why could they not deliver those looks in a good BEV.

Earl Colby Pottinger (Tesla, Bollinger, Rivian and other BEVs fan)

 

The impression I get is that present dealers are not branching out into new fields. The Computer store I worked started before I joined as a stereo store, but over time stereo systems not only got cheaper and easier to setup. The stereo stores that tried to stay stereo stores went out of business.

The ones that still exist branched out into other electronics like TVs and Phones, the store I worked at branched in selling sound systems for computers and then soon after started selling computers too - that is when I got hire. Noticed they still sold stereo systems but over time they made less and less money that way and more selling computers. About the time I left, computer sales were dropping but they had now branched into networking hardware including microwave towers for internet for the country customers - in other words they have been in business from 1969 and they still are business today because they changed with the times.

Car dealers need to learn that lesson - if they try to stick to the past they will lose.

Earl Colby Pottinger (Tesla, Bollinger, Rivian and other BEVs fan)

 

I wonder how many whale oil lantern sellers said this about the first electric lights. Or buggy manufacturers about horseless carriages?

The EV market will be huge in the future. The writing is already on the wall. Every single manufacturer is talking about it. ALL of them. It's all you see at the shows. It's all you see news on. Half the hypercar announcements are EV's.

Not sure why you keep repeating this. I won't guarantee that Tesla will be here in 10 years, but I will guarantee that the EV market will explode in the next 10.

 

The competitors against the first electric lights were the gaslight companies. They had monopolies to run gas pipes under the streets and did everything they could to keep the electric companies at bay. If you ever want to read about true environmental hazards, read up on the old 'coal gas' plants of the 1800s.

It is also fun to read through 100 year old auto magazines (e.g., google books, archive.org, and such are wonderful resources) where they compare the costs of buying and maintaining a car or truck vs a horse. A few carriage manufacturers tried to make the transition. One, Studebaker, made it all the way to the 1960s. Studebaker even made a few EVs back in the dawn of the auto age, before jumping on the gas bandwagon.

The cat is definitely out of the bag. Anyone who can charge at home and/or work would be foolish to buy a sedan without considering one with an EV powertrain. Trucks and SUVs are still a ways out though. PHEVs can help. Sports cars are still... emotional.

 

Because people fear change. It's like the photographers who love film laughing at the photographers using digital cameras.

 

I honestly think it’s more about Elon than any other factor. I wish he would just shut the f*c! Up. I also wish he would stop spewing utter BS about Full Self Driving.

 

That and the fact that whether through regulation or subsidies, EV’s are being shoved down consumer’s throats as part of some nebulous “global war against climate change”. Edison didn’t need govt regulation or subsidies on a global scale to replace gas lamps with electric, neither did Ford need them to replace horse carriages with his cars. Small diff, but it seems to matter to a lot of people.

 

Musk started this endeavor long before anyone or any government was even talking about his. He actually put all he had into Tesla and SpaceX and at one point in 2008 was days away from totally wiped out of his entire fortune in the tune of a couple hundred million dollars. Anyone else you think has ever done that or is willing to? He should be admired for the courage regardless of whether you agree with his stated goal or not.

EV"s were not shoved down consumers' throats the same as speed limits or traffic regulations weren't shoved down drivers' throat. These are necessary things for society's own good even if they may affect lifestyle of certain people. Although you indeed have added one more reason for why some people hate Tesla. Those are people who also hate environment causes. This, the environment cause, is beyond the scope of this thread and imo is a settled issue not even need to be argued.

That said I think @Pokerhobo still gave the best reason at least for people on this forum some of whom probably even thought going to liquid cooled engine was end of the world.

 

Right. And Santa is real too.