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I will give this to Acoste: there are way, WAY too many people who know nothing about cars who pretend their Tesla is the greatest thing ever. It's really, really annoying. Even to fellow Tesla owners.
The cars are not perfect by any means. In many ways their quality is sub-par. And people give them too much of a pass. BUT to insinuate that they are just a giant dumpster fire, a fraud, etc. is just piling on and beating a dead horse. All manufacturers have their issues. It's a complicated product with high expectations that often aren't met. And that's by manufacturers with DECADES of experience.
Yes, thank you for saying that. Those are the folks who pissed me off greatly and I became the same type just on the other side. Except that I have more knowledge and experience.
Forgot to add. Most carmakers run their cars through a shower at the end of the production line as one of the quality checks. I saw that machine in the Tesla factory as well so they know what it is. Not something they have never seen.
Yes, thank you for saying that. Those are the folks who pissed me off greatly and I became the same type just on the other side. Except that I have more knowledge and experience.
And with that, I'm done. You've acknowledged that you're a FUDster, and like the "Teslavangelists" spreading false rainbow and sunshine, you are spreading overblown FUD. Almost every single thing you've pointed out is present, usually way worse, in other vehicles from major manufacturers, who have been in business far longer than Tesla's 12 years or so. And Tesla has only been making "production" cars for 8. And mass production (the 3 and Y) for barely 2. Yet GM, who makes about 500,000 Silverado's per year ALONE, can't buy an ignition switch that won't let the keys fall out. And yet BMW can't make a sunroof that won't leak? Why don't you go to the 997 Turbo forum and see how many cars have had leaking coolant pipes, which requires an engine out service to fix. Or spun camshafts? Again, engine out. But no, Porsche can do no wrong!
You condemn Tesla because you can't stand the 10-20% of owners who are overly fanatical about the brand? And yet you own and defend a BMW? Have you never met a douchebag BMW owner? I certainly have, many. Hasn't done much to affect my thoughts on the brand. BMW's massively confused, bloated and underwhelming recent product lineup have done that all on their own.
Tesla is not perfect, and even the majority of owners would admit that. If you're going to run around tilting at windmills because you don't like blowhard fans, well, you can find that behavior nearly anywhere. LOL, go on a College sports team's forum if you want to see real moronic arguments.
So again, thanks for admitting that you're doing nothing but axe grinding because you have a personal beef.
Last edited by Needsdecaf; 08-07-2020 at 05:32 PM.
Taycan owner on the other forum - again kinda an embarrassing problem from Porsche - this is where Porsche is better than Tesla - they don’t even require it to be raining for water to get into the vehicle - a triumph of german engineering.
I had an issue with fluid collecting inside the car. First time I charged it to 100% at home in preparation for a road trip the rear passenger footwell had standing water in it. The dealer was great and got me in immediately, with a loaner, to still go on the trip. It turned out that the AC was incorrectly hooked up at the factory. No issues since the repair. I still take a quick feel of the carpet back there every so often.
Taycan owner on the other forum - again kinda an embarrassing problem from Porsche - this is where Porsche is better than Tesla - they don’t even require it to be raining for water to get into the vehicle - a triumph of german engineering.
Yes, Porsche is excelling at beating Tesla with their times too! It usually takes 18 months for a 12v battery problem to manifest itself in a Model 3. Porsche did it in under 6!
[ WLE3 ] Replacing Vehicle (12v) Electrical System Battery
Date: 2020-07-29
Labor Time Units: 163
Information: Due to a manufacturing error [in part 9J1-915-105-EY], there is a possibility that the internal current sensor for the 12-volt vehicle electrical system battery does not meet the required specifications on the affected vehicles. As a result, the charge state will be calculated incorrectly and the 12-volt vehicle electrical system battery will then be totally discharged when the vehicle is parked for extended periods without an external power supply.
Part Number: V04015001BA. 12-volt vehicle electrical system battery. qty: 1 PAF106826. Cheese head bolt, M8 x 50. qty:4
And with that, I'm done. You've acknowledged that you're a FUDster, and like the "Teslavangelists" spreading false rainbow and sunshine, you are spreading overblown FUD. Almost every single thing you've pointed out is present, usually way worse, in other vehicles from major manufacturers, who have been in business far longer than Tesla's 12 years or so. And Tesla has only been making "production" cars for 8. And mass production (the 3 and Y) for barely 2. Yet GM, who makes about 500,000 Silverado's per year ALONE, can't buy an ignition switch that won't let the keys fall out. And yet BMW can't make a sunroof that won't leak? Why don't you go to the 997 Turbo forum and see how many cars have had leaking coolant pipes, which requires an engine out service to fix. Or spun camshafts? Again, engine out. But no, Porsche can do no wrong!
You condemn Tesla because you can't stand the 10-20% of owners who are overly fanatical about the brand? And yet you own and defend a BMW? Have you never met a douchebag BMW owner? I certainly have, many. Hasn't done much to affect my thoughts on the brand. BMW's massively confused, bloated and underwhelming recent product lineup have done that all on their own.
Tesla is not perfect, and even the majority of owners would admit that. If you're going to run around tilting at windmills because you don't like blowhard fans, well, you can find that behavior nearly anywhere. LOL, go on a College sports team's forum if you want to see real moronic arguments.
So again, thanks for admitting that you're doing nothing but axe grinding because you have a personal beef.
You are bending the truth right here. No. These issues are rarely present in other new cars. Those BMWs are several years old while I posted a brand new Tesla. BMWs do have this issue with clogged drains even though this has not happened to me.
Taycan owner on the other forum - again kinda an embarrassing problem from Porsche - this is where Porsche is better than Tesla - they don’t even require it to be raining for water to get into the vehicle - a triumph of german engineering.
One step closer for me not wanting a Porsche any more. At least it's not an imminent safety issue.
why are you bashing Tesla on a Porsche forum? and your proof of Tesla’s misdeeds are often single points echo’d by other manufactures - what value are you providing?
You are bending the truth right here. No. These issues are rarely present in other new cars. Those BMWs are several years old while I posted a brand new Tesla. BMWs do have this issue with clogged drains even though this has not happened to me.
No man, not bending the truth whatsoever. You just don’t want to see it. I notice you completely ignored the ****ty BMW Nav.
why are you bashing Tesla on a Porsche forum? and your proof of Tesla’s misdeeds are often single points echo’d by other manufactures - what value are you providing?
I shared tons of information. You ignored quite a lot of it.
given the source…and tons is a pretty good unit for measurement of the type/quality of the “information” you provide.
Yep. your response isn't very far from this guy on the BMW forum. Although he really has no clue about physics and EPA tests. But because I criticized Tesla he had to attack as a self defense. I wasn't even criticizing Tesla. All I said that Lucid has 24% larger battery (usable) and has 35% higher EPA range than Model S LR+.
Note, I said that based on solid source and all those numbers are information for those who don't filter out sentences based on own bias.
But but, Tesla's build quality is the same as other cars'.
08-06-2020 | 04:51 PM
I notice you completely ignored the ****ty BMW Nav.
