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I have 13k miles on my .1 and 300 miles on .2 so far Both are in the garage currently. I have not tracked the .2 yet. So far I'm favoring the .1
On .2
- don't like the digital dash
- no physical exhaust button
- have to lower the wing in the computer screens upon startup
- engine / exhaust noise noticeably worse in .2
- new gearing may be worse (not sure yet).
- price much higher than .1
I modify my cars so 992.2>992.1 for me.. Plus the .2 looks better IMO.
I don't like the analog Cayenne tach in the 992.1. Give me all analog or all digital. The colored tach in the 992.1 was a joke too. Remember in the 991 when you got full colored faces instead of a rainbow strip? The new digital dash is superior.
Having to use the interface for ordinary tasks is a 992 problem in it's entirety. It's annoying on all 2020+ Porsches. Yes its stupid, and it's not even that fast. I can swear the PCM in the 991.2 is snappier than the one in the 992.2. Although much more basic, it's snappier. I'm not looking to swim in ****ty technology in a Porsche 911. I'm not in a Mercedes. I'm in a freaking 911. As for sport exhaust button.. I programed that to the diamond "joker" button on the steering wheel on the 992.2 so I do have a physical button.. Or you can just toggle it to sport mode with the wheel. Besides that I used a valve controller now so it doesn't matter.
Exhaust and sound. Again 991>>. But like I said I modify so it doesn't matter 992.1 or 992.2
Shorter gearing is better for racing so 992.2 is better and much more lively.
Lastly, I know how divisive these threads get dating way back before the 992 existed. So my 992 brothers, please don't take it personal. W/ love.
I have had both and both with manuals. .2 is a lot better car (and it shoudl be since I paid $80k more for it). The gearing is a lot better mainly and I personally like the fully electronic dash rather than the mechanic RPM gauge. The best upgrade is Homelink back on the mirror.
I have had both and both with manuals. .2 is a lot better car (and it shoudl be since I paid $80k more for it). The gearing is a lot better mainly and I personally like the fully electronic dash rather than the mechanic RPM gauge. The best upgrade is Homelink back on the mirror.
I wasn't aware the .1 didn't have the buttons in the mirror. Im glad they're back because I use buttons 2 and 3 to control the exhaust valves.
.2 has RS cams, cylinder heads, and throttle bodies.
.1 gearing is too long. Even S/T gearing is a tad long, but far, far better than 1.
.2 has revised aero that few talk about but does make a difference, even in the touring.
Then there's steering, suspension, and a bunch of other improvements that make it impossible to be worse or even on par with the .1.
Are there things I prefer about the .1? Yes. Do any or all of those preferences make the .1 better in general? Absolutely not.
.1 sounds better stock
.1 has the better looking and more
comfortable buckets
.2 is more fun to drive with shorter gears
.2 has back seats
.2 has leichtbau
Price aside, If you put an exhaust on the .2, then there is only one negative of the .1 (buckets)
.Even S/T gearing is a tad long, but far, far better than 1.
Couldn't imagine it any shorter. I'm already sitting at almost 4k rpm at highway speeds. If you actually drive your car somewhat regularly you will not want the gears any shorter
For every positive of .2, there is a compromise and a downside.
- Gearing : Ear ringing constant trans/engine noise at 80 mph which is a problem if you drive on the highway 20+ miles in one shot. Its too much and this comes from a guy who has dundon crack pipe on a 3RS and owns SRS. So yes, shorter gears are fun but they also mean there is this other problem that gets old.
- Seats : They fold down yes but their look is just so bad. The bolsters by the seat belt have multiple joining stitches that look like after thought (vs .1 seats its one seamless piece), the harness pass through points look and feel cheap, the leather sags in multiple places and most important : no longer bespoke porsche seat. These seats are done by the supplier that does M4 seats, they look identical. Yes they fold but why not folding buckets of 997? They look so much better. Answer : cost. These seats are much cheaper to produce.
- Digital screen : I agree that .1 analog gauge is better but 991 screens are out of this world better. However, in the absence of 991 dash, .1 is still something with a needle resting at 0 and redline at 9k. You walk by your car and the tach winks at you in such a classy way. Fact : 3RS .1 tach is slightly different than GT3 with digits sportier and look nicer. The .2 screen looks just like taycan. Another fact, the ding dong chime sounds of .2 is replicas from taycan/cayenne. Prior to this, 911s had bespoke sounds and turn signal sounds.
- Power : Anyone who says they cant feel lack of punch between .1 vs .2 is drinking too much cool aid. Fact : the drop in torque between .2 and .1 is equivalent to the increase we have seen from 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. Its significant. Another Fact: Dundon has extensive video that compares .1 GT3, .1 3RS, and .2 GT3 in stock form and with their full exhaust. Spoiler : no you cant put a full exhaust and make the same power as ST or 3RS. Full exhaust yields you more power but still less than .1 GT3 (not RS) with the same exhaust. We have basically gone back 3 generations of GT3 with this loss of torque. Its a big deal for this engine.
- Weight : The new seats weigh much more than old buckets. You would save 52 lbs before with lwbs over 18 ways. The number is now down to 19 lbs. Car just weighs more as well with rear seats (even if you dont option them there are metal components there), the exhaust with extra filters weigh more. Yes you could lose some of this weight but guess what you could do the same with 992.1. You could buy the new 40Ah battery, magnesium wheels and now even lighter than before have a car that is very close to ST. You could mount the SMFW to your .1 for even more weight savings and not have the downside of cruising at 80 mph and not being able to have a phone conversation.
- Exterior Visual: Not having DRLs, tacked on front bumper pieces (and even worse being able to change the front bumper triangles to painted or carbon but not do the same to the matching front fender piece that has continuation of those lines) just does not look good. Back of the car looks nicer I agree, no more fake vents and I like the ducts on rear engine in winged car much more. One thing that I dislike in both .1 and .2 is the clam shell spoiler. Have you guys ever seen these cars from behind with this extended? It looks really off. The shape, the plastic stuff that shows, etc all look really not good. Every other iteration of a wing including turbo s, winged gt3 in 992 and 991, or touring in 991 have much less intrusive implementations and dont really clash.
- Price : With a modest $50k ADM, you are now at $365,000 for this GT3 if you option it the way you need to in order to take advantage of weight savings, buckets, mags, etc. With the current market pricing, a touring from 2023 (mid point of 2022 and 2024) can be purchased for $270k with 2k miles or less. The remaining $95,000 can finance mag wheels ($20k), a full dundon ti exhaust ($18k), ST flywheel and SMFW ($20k with install), battery ($1k). You will basically have a car that weighs 20 lbs off of ST in low 30XX lbs, make much more power, have the benefits of faster revving ST without the downside of very loud cabin and still have $35,000 left over. Actually it will be more like $45-$50k savings when you factor in PPF (used touring will guaranteed to have) and more taxes of $365,000 purchase price. Another way to look at the numbers is if you buy the new car at $365,000, you still need to spend $18k for exhaust to make it sound good, you need to spend $10-12k for ppf. With taxes and everything, you will have spent $425k approx all in. And having done that you will have all these downsides I mentioned above. So you are not just saving $45-50k, your end result is a better product that costs significantly less.
The last bit about exterior styling is very subjective I get it but all my other points are much more factual.
By the way, I appreciate the forum love. You are all my friends, we are just having a civil conversation spreading the love!
.1 sounds better stock
.1 has the better looking and more
comfortable buckets
.2 is more fun to drive with shorter gears
.2 has back seats
.2 has leichtbau
Price aside, If you put an exhaust on the .2, then there is only one negative of the .1 (buckets)
.2 is the clear winner , imo
My .2 is a little louder inside and sounds better stock than my .1 to me.
For every positive of .2, there is a compromise and a downside.
- Gearing : Ear ringing constant trans/engine noise at 80 mph which is a problem if you drive on the highway 20+ miles in one shot. Its too much and this comes from a guy who has dundon crack pipe on a 3RS and owns SRS. So yes, shorter gears are fun but they also mean there is this other problem that gets old.
- Seats : They fold down yes but their look is just so bad. The bolsters by the seat belt have multiple joining stitches that look like after thought (vs .1 seats its one seamless piece), the harness pass through points look and feel cheap, the leather sags in multiple places and most important : no longer bespoke porsche seat. These seats are done by the supplier that does M4 seats, they look identical. Yes they fold but why not folding buckets of 997? They look so much better. Answer : cost. These seats are much cheaper to produce.
- Digital screen : I agree that .1 analog gauge is better but 991 screens are out of this world better. However, in the absence of 991 dash, .1 is still something with a needle resting at 0 and redline at 9k. You walk by your car and the tach winks at you in such a classy way. Fact : 3RS .1 tach is slightly different than GT3 with digits sportier and look nicer. The .2 screen looks just like taycan. Another fact, the ding dong chime sounds of .2 is replicas from taycan/cayenne. Prior to this, 911s had bespoke sounds and turn signal sounds.
- Power : Anyone who says they cant feel lack of punch between .1 vs .2 is drinking too much cool aid. Fact : the drop in torque between .2 and .1 is equivalent to the increase we have seen from 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. Its significant. Another Fact: Dundon has extensive video that compares .1 GT3, .1 3RS, and .2 GT3 in stock form and with their full exhaust. Spoiler : no you cant put a full exhaust and make the same power as ST or 3RS. Full exhaust yields you more power but still less than .1 GT3 (not RS) with the same exhaust. We have basically gone back 3 generations of GT3 with this loss of torque. Its a big deal for this engine.
- Weight : The new seats weigh much more than old buckets. You would save 52 lbs before with lwbs over 18 ways. The number is now down to 19 lbs. Car just weighs more as well with rear seats (even if you dont option them there are metal components there), the exhaust with extra filters weigh more. Yes you could lose some of this weight but guess what you could do the same with 992.1. You could buy the new 40Ah battery, magnesium wheels and now even lighter than before have a car that is very close to ST. You could mount the SMFW to your .1 for even more weight savings and not have the downside of cruising at 80 mph and not being able to have a phone conversation.
- Exterior Visual: Not having DRLs, tacked on front bumper pieces (and even worse being able to change the front bumper triangles to painted or carbon but not do the same to the matching front fender piece that has continuation of those lines) just does not look good. Back of the car looks nicer I agree, no more fake vents and I like the ducts on rear engine in winged car much more. One thing that I dislike in both .1 and .2 is the clam shell spoiler. Have you guys ever seen these cars from behind with this extended? It looks really off. The shape, the plastic stuff that shows, etc all look really not good. Every other iteration of a wing including turbo s, winged gt3 in 992 and 991, or touring in 991 have much less intrusive implementations and dont really clash.
- Price : With a modest $50k ADM, you are now at $365,000 for this GT3 if you option it the way you need to in order to take advantage of weight savings, buckets, mags, etc. With the current market pricing, a touring from 2023 (mid point of 2022 and 2024) can be purchased for $270k with 2k miles or less. The remaining $95,000 can finance mag wheels ($20k), a full dundon ti exhaust ($18k), ST flywheel and SMFW ($20k with install), battery ($1k). You will basically have a car that weighs 20 lbs off of ST in low 30XX lbs, make much more power, have the benefits of faster revving ST without the downside of very loud cabin and still have $35,000 left over. Actually it will be more like $45-$50k savings when you factor in PPF (used touring will guaranteed to have) and more taxes of $365,000 purchase price. Another way to look at the numbers is if you buy the new car at $365,000, you still need to spend $18k for exhaust to make it sound good, you need to spend $10-12k for ppf. With taxes and everything, you will have spent $425k approx all in. And having done that you will have all these downsides I mentioned above. So you are not just saving $45-50k, your end result is a better product that costs significantly less.
The last bit about exterior styling is very subjective I get it but all my other points are much more factual.
By the way, I appreciate the forum love. You are all my friends, we are just having a civil conversation spreading the love!
the .2 is the closest thing to the s/t. that alone is enough for me.
yes, the interior is quieter initially but once you get a few thousand miles and the engine breaks the interior is louder. ive got 90 miles on my .2 and coming from a .1 the entire car is better and you notice the differences in the first 50 feet.
I've had four of them, 997.2, 991.2. 992.1 and 992.2. Out of them all I feel like my 992.2 Touring may be my end of life GT3. Being only 55 I have some years left but how I ordered my Touring, the only option not available to me that I wanted was PTS. Other than that it's ideally specced for my taste in cars. Love everything about it.
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