help a noob - 996 carerra 4 purchase
10-26-2017, 04:33 PM
#16
He may have gone the hyperbole route, but I've known you for awhile now and thought you were being a bit of a d!ck in your response to reasonable questions.
Or do you have extensive with C4s in a foot or more of snow down there in GA that we don't know about?
As far as 911s off road, you do know that the 959 was specifically built to be an off road rally car and the 996's AWD system is a derivative of the 959's right?
Or do you have extensive with C4s in a foot or more of snow down there in GA that we don't know about?
As far as 911s off road, you do know that the 959 was specifically built to be an off road rally car and the 996's AWD system is a derivative of the 959's right?
10-26-2017, 04:39 PM
#17
955 Turbo. About as fast as the 996C4 and on air ride. Raise it up when the snow gets deep and drop it down for the canyons.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...000-miles.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...nne-turbo.html
'05 955TT:
0-60 = 5.4
1/4 = 13.79 @ 102.47
60-0 = 112
V Max = 165 mph
1999 C4:
0-60 = 5
1/4 = 13.2
V Max = 169 mph
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...000-miles.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...nne-turbo.html
'05 955TT:
0-60 = 5.4
1/4 = 13.79 @ 102.47
60-0 = 112
V Max = 165 mph
1999 C4:
0-60 = 5
1/4 = 13.2
V Max = 169 mph
10-26-2017, 04:44 PM
#18
@awdguy I agree, jeeps are junk, not to mention not really being meant for autoX or the track.
@Volkert I'll look into the audis. I had a 2001 TT and it was the worst financial decision I ever made. I recently had a 2016 A3 quattro but found it really uncomfortable and sold it. I tend to like smaller cars and never looked higher in their range.
10-26-2017, 04:48 PM
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I don't know about the older Cayennes, but my 958 diesel on 18" (e.g. big sidewall) wheels and steel suspension held it's own with or bettered the 996 and older 911s when I took it for a day AutoXing. Phenomenal handling from a 5500lb beast.
10-26-2017, 04:51 PM
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10-26-2017, 04:57 PM
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Almost bought a C4 last month, but it sold before I got the $$$ in hand. But read and talked to many C4 owners (which actually prompted my interest in the C4 and C4S) that said the AWD system is a radically different 996 experience but the viscous coupling differential in the 996 C4 doesn't always behave properly in deeper snow and mud driving conditions.
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10-26-2017, 04:58 PM
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I drove a 996 C4S as my daily driver for years, living in the Rocky Mountains. It was fine in that application, except in deep snow as mentioned above. The thing that made it fine was not the AWD system as much as the tires. You need proper winter tires to drive these cars in winter conditions. If you try to drive an AWD car in winter conditions with summer tires, you'll end up in a ditch or worse.
Reliability was never a concern with my 996. The car never left me stranded. Maintenance expense was more of a concern. Once the car passed 120K miles, I was spending between $5K and $10K per year to keep it on the road and in good shape. That's the main reason that I sold it.
Reliability was never a concern with my 996. The car never left me stranded. Maintenance expense was more of a concern. Once the car passed 120K miles, I was spending between $5K and $10K per year to keep it on the road and in good shape. That's the main reason that I sold it.
10-26-2017, 05:11 PM
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10-27-2017, 08:00 AM
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5-10k$? You could have a bad year but year on year? Also, you have have preventative, corrective maintenance or upgrades. If you need new shocks and you decide to go all the way things can get expensive but I would not consider this maintenance.
10-27-2017, 09:03 AM
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rear tires, Michelin super sports were $1300
front tires, Michelin super sports were $900
motor mounts =$380
window regulator ($200-$400) x 2
heater core leaking coolant = $200
Door latch = $400+
headlight switch = $200
coolant reservoir, hoses and coolant = $500
seat belt receptacle = $200
Joe Gibbs oil changes are NOT cheap.
CV boots= $80 × 2
clutch, RMS, IMS = $2500
never mind the full $20k engine rebuild due to scored cylinders.
and I'm sure I am forgetting a lot....
it's depressing to go through the list.
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10-27-2017, 09:08 AM
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I drove a 996 C4S as my daily driver for years, living in the Rocky Mountains. It was fine in that application, except in deep snow as mentioned above. The thing that made it fine was not the AWD system as much as the tires. You need proper winter tires to drive these cars in winter conditions. If you try to drive an AWD car in winter conditions with summer tires, you'll end up in a ditch or worse.
Reliability was never a concern with my 996. The car never left me stranded. Maintenance expense was more of a concern. Once the car passed 120K miles, I was spending between $5K and $10K per year to keep it on the road and in good shape. That's the main reason that I sold it.
Reliability was never a concern with my 996. The car never left me stranded. Maintenance expense was more of a concern. Once the car passed 120K miles, I was spending between $5K and $10K per year to keep it on the road and in good shape. That's the main reason that I sold it.
10-27-2017, 09:47 AM
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10-27-2017, 10:35 AM
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Yup. I have the service records. I included wear items in the total, like tires and brakes, as well as my IMSB upgrade when my clutch was changed. I looked at it more as a total expenditure as opposed to maintenance vs. repairs.