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Old 08-14-2017, 01:03 PM
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Need two sets Ed. Please pm 77tony for ship to address, etc. TIA Tony
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Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
Anybody installed a 928-H4-Cap Kit A yet? I'd like any feedback you might have.

How much interest is still out there for these? I've still got eight of the 928-H4-Cap Kit A from the second batch (I made that batch last week). I've got enough materials on hand to make another 36 caps (18 kits of cap pairs and hardware), but was going to wait until I can determine whether to make all of them for the 22 mm bulb barrel "LUMILEDS" style bulbs or whether there's sufficient demand for other bulb types to make caps for them (remember, it's easy for me to make the 25 mm bulb barrel caps, which work for what I was calling the "2015 CREE" bulbs).

I've also updated all the related documentation (web content and installation guide) to make it clear that these caps are for the 928 8″ H4 headlight assemblies only. I have no idea what the 928 7″ H4 headlight assemblies would need for caps. I've never had a chance to examine those headlights and I don't think I've ever seen a high-resolution photo of the back of them. I'm guessing they're different enough that a different cap design would be needed. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone seeking caps for those 7″ H4 headlight assemblies, either, so unless anybody speaks up, I probably won't worry about them.
I am still interested in these but without doing hours of research into the bulbs was waiting for you to say "These are the best bulbs" - buy "This cap set from me"
Old 08-14-2017, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BC
I am still interested in these but without doing hours of research into the bulbs was waiting for you to say "These are the best bulbs" - buy "This cap set from me"
+1

I thought there was still some discussion going on comparing the various available LED's.
Old 08-14-2017, 11:37 PM
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Back in post #114 in this thread, I gave my opinion on the three LED H4 bulb types I've tried. It's unlikely that I'll review any more bulb types in the near future. I'll probably have a little more to say about the LUMILEDS type, though, once I get a chance to align my headlights properly.
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Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
Back in post #114 in this thread, I gave my opinion on the three LED H4 bulb types I've tried. It's unlikely that I'll review any more bulb types in the near future. I'll probably have a little more to say about the LUMILEDS type, though, once I get a chance to align my headlights properly.
I think the confusion started after that post. I "assumed" from that post the LUMILEDS were the only one to go, then post #134 sort of confused this conversation.


Side question discussing lumens.

Standard H4 bulbs seems to range from 1650/1000 to 1895/1148

Per the Phillips website, these are 1000/1350
https://www.philips.com.au/c-p/12953...specifications

So is there more to the output of an LED vs Halogen than the simple lumen rating?

This is an interested thread, couple years old though:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...2-Headlight-H4
Old 08-15-2017, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
Back in post #114 in this thread, I gave my opinion on the three LED H4 bulb types I've tried. It's unlikely that I'll review any more bulb types in the near future. I'll probably have a little more to say about the LUMILEDS type, though, once I get a chance to align my headlights properly.
Can you post the link to the exact set of the ones you bought from Amazon? I am not finding ones that look that what you've posted in #114...
Old 08-15-2017, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
I think the confusion started after that post. I "assumed" from that post the LUMILEDS were the only one to go, then post #134 sort of confused this conversation.
There's still the issue of people who have already installed various LED H4 bulbs. Some may want to get another bulb type. Others might want to just stick with what they have.


Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Side question discussing lumens.

Standard H4 bulbs seems to range from 1650/1000 to 1895/1148

Per the Phillips website, these are 1000/1350
https://www.philips.com.au/c-p/12953...specifications

So is there more to the output of an LED vs Halogen than the simple lumen rating?

This is an interested thread, couple years old though:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...2-Headlight-H4
I hadn't seen those Philips-branded LED H4 bulbs (the Philips X-treme Ultinon 12953BWX2) before. It's encouraging to see a reputable company selling LED H4 bulbs under their brand. And the design is similar to the LUMILEDS bulb type that we've been talking about in this thread, so this really helps validate that general design and my observations about it back in post 114.



Perhaps somebody needs to get a set of these (they're expensive: about $230
at Amazon.com at Amazon.com
). Or at least get somebody who already has them to answer a few questions about them: what's the bulb barrel diameter and length behind the three-tab flange? I'm guessing that the barrel is 22 mm (same as a halogen H4 bulb). That barrel might be a little too short to work with the 22 mm caps with their current design, though.



I might further refine the cap design to get the O-ring seat in the cap a little closer to the bulb flange.


I don't have any good answers regarding the lumen ratings. I've learned to mistrust those numbers when they're used for sales/marketing purposes by questionable companies (or unbranded products). And even for this Philips LED H4 bulb, I'm seeing different numbers in different places.
Old 08-15-2017, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by UNEEKONE
Can you post the link to the exact set of the ones you bought from Amazon? I am not finding ones that look that what you've posted in #114...
See post #116 in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
There's still the issue of people who have already installed various LED H4 bulbs. Some may want to get another bulb type. Others might want to just stick with what they have.
Got it, that make sense. I'm not sure everyone who would want / need the part for the CREE's saw or understood that either? These threads get confusing quick LOL

Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
I hadn't seen those Philips-branded LED H4 bulbs (the Philips X-treme Ultinon 12953BWX2) before. It's encouraging to see a reputable company selling LED H4 bulbs under their brand. And the design is similar to the LUMILEDS bulb type that we've been talking about in this thread, so this really helps validate that general design and my observations about it back in post 114.
There yea go, when I found those it was searching for a lumens rating on the LUMILEDS and I "assumed" anything Philips was the same thing. So I searched for Philips instead of LUMILEDS and found those.

Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
I've learned to mistrust those numbers when they're used for sales/marketing purposes by questionable companies (or unbranded products). And even for this Philips LED H4 bulb, I'm seeing different numbers in different places.
I think the lumens rating on the halogen bulbs is pretty standard, they've been around a while and if anything Philips probably underrates their bulbs.

But, "assuming" the numbers on the Philips site are true and the known numbers for the average halogen are accurate. Are we looking for longevity and lower wattage with LED's since that is still a benefit versus absolute increase light output?
The better focused beam from an LED will produce a better light? No idea, just thinking out loud.

These things are not all that expensive, do our own testing:
Amazon Amazon
Old 08-15-2017, 09:34 PM
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Just ordered a set of caps, Ed! GOOD WORK!

Alan -- thanks for directing me this way in another thread.

Now off to Amazon to get the LUMILEDS!!

Ummm... ok... NOW... how do I convert the foglights and the faint little front driving lights to LED? Wasn't there a thread somewhere on how to make them all match each other at the same color temperature?

Cheers
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:34 AM
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hi ed I just installed your kit. Everything went together well and the fit was perfect. You put together a really nice design Thanks for your hard work



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Looks good! Glad it worked out. Nice clean car, too!
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Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
See post #116 in this thread.
Duh- my bad. This is what happens when you read all nine pages in one sitting...
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I have the caps on the way (thanks Ed) and the LUMILEDS on the way from Amazon.

Ed -- have you looked into the fog lights or front parking lights at all? I've started to look at the H3 fog lights and there are a million choices. Looks like I'd need to buy an independent 'ballast' in those cases where the LED bulb is sold without one?

Oh, btw, I did find this (no association): https://www.928motorsports.com/parts...ight_bulbs.php
If nothing else, shows what kind of bulb can fit.

One more thing: Does anyone know the color temperature of the Ausi bulbs that Ed linked above? The temperature is not listed on the Amazon page. I'm guessing 6000 or 6500 but want to confirm to get matching foglight H3s!!!
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Update - I have the LEDs installed. Ed - seamless install on my '83 S. And a HUGE step up over the H4s!!!

Observations: The cap install is a no brainer, super simple. The LED bulbs output far more light and make the old H4s look yellow and dim. But now the H3 foglights and the driving lights stand out like a sore thumb!!

Also, only noticed after installation that the inside of my headlight lenses are a bit foggy after all these years. Gotta take it apart and wash out the inside now!

I also had to include the extra wire/box/connector labeled H4 that came with the LED bulbs. Although the ballast can plug directly into the car's H4 plug, and the headlight works normally, it does NOT work correctly when fogs are turned on. In that case headlights went to high beams (or maybe both hi and lo beams on) and toggling hi/lo on the stalk made no difference. Installing the extra H4 cables makes everything work properly!!

QUESTION: After driving around a bit at night, I noticed that the left part of the beam pattern isn't horizontal-- it's sloping up on the left slightly. This gives the beam pattern a V appearance. I always thought with the regular H4 bulbs that the left side was perfectly horizontal. HOWEVER I noticed that the LED bulbs include the ability to be rotated and out of the box they are not aligned perfectly vertically when installed. Should I mess with that rotation, is that the cause of the beam pattern I'm seeing?

Cheers,
Rick






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