Eurocharged ECU tuning - feedback request
#16
I heard back from Randy and hes saying all the things I want to hear. Including this little tidbit:
. All our tunes are guaranteed, with a $50k replacement value if something catastrophic happens (never has, and we plan it never will).
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#17
False. The better tunes (not off the shelf) are commensurate to your vehicles fitness and complimenting upgrades. If one is expects a turn key tune then I would agree that it may do more harm than good as it isn't tuned for your specific setting.
At your request, EC will do a before and after dyno run measuring your cars performance prior to the tune and after. If needed, tuners can modify your A/F ratio to pinpoint accuracy for max efficiency.
At your request, EC will do a before and after dyno run measuring your cars performance prior to the tune and after. If needed, tuners can modify your A/F ratio to pinpoint accuracy for max efficiency.
#18
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Nothing against Randy - he's a very decent bloke I know from the BMW CCA, but if any of you think that there is such a thing as a free lunch (i.e free horsepower), I have an amazing deal on some excellent Ronco knives and some miraculous fitness pills!
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False. The better tunes (not off the shelf) are commensurate to your vehicles fitness and complimenting upgrades. If one is expects a turn key tune then I would agree that it may do more harm than good as it isn't tuned for your specific setting.
At your request, EC will do a before and after dyno run measuring your cars performance prior to the tune and after. If needed, tuners can modify your A/F ratio to pinpoint accuracy for max efficiency.
At your request, EC will do a before and after dyno run measuring your cars performance prior to the tune and after. If needed, tuners can modify your A/F ratio to pinpoint accuracy for max efficiency.
#22
That isn't true on all cars. A $200 tune for my BMW 335i increased the HP by 60-70 with only a minor impact. But BWM left a huge amount of power on the table with that engine and it is a twin turbo. My understanding is that porsche already completely optimized the performance of the 996 NA engine so a tune wouldn't gain much.
#23
Did he also read you the line right above the one that mentions the $50K engine warranty, which states "Coverage is for 2 years or 32,000 kilometers from the original in-service date", and futhermore inform you that if your car still has some factory warranty left, their tune would void the same?
Nothing against Randy - he's a very decent bloke I know from the BMW CCA, but if any of you think that there is such a thing as a free lunch (i.e free horsepower), I have an amazing deal on some excellent Ronco knives and some miraculous fitness pills!
Nothing against Randy - he's a very decent bloke I know from the BMW CCA, but if any of you think that there is such a thing as a free lunch (i.e free horsepower), I have an amazing deal on some excellent Ronco knives and some miraculous fitness pills!
#25
Er - tunes "commensurate to your vehicles fitness and complimenting upgrades" by definition INCLUDE other engine modifications (upgrades). Pre-canned tunes that are a dime a dozen are the ones that will somewhat shorten the engine life or sacrifice some margin for error (if you get a bad batch of gas for example). If you've modded the engine, then a proper custom tune for your particular motor and mods may be able to get some more power without adversely affecting the longevity.
For example: Due to issues with some factory F430 exhaust manis I opted to upgrade the headers.
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#28
I had my 06 cayman tuned there a few years back. The throttle response was better and I did feel greater pull lower in the revs. I had exhaust + headers which responded well to the tune. Plan to tune my 997 as well.
I take all my cars to Eurocharged for everything. Great group of guys.
I take all my cars to Eurocharged for everything. Great group of guys.
#29
That isn't true on all cars. A $200 tune for my BMW 335i increased the HP by 60-70 with only a minor impact. But BWM left a huge amount of power on the table with that engine and it is a twin turbo. My understanding is that porsche already completely optimized the performance of the 996 NA engine so a tune wouldn't gain much.
Here's a fact: all other things being equal, an engine producing more power is going to be under more stress and suffer extra wear and tear (strain). Whether any one particular engine or part thereof is already run within an inch of its life (and its longevity is measured in mere hours) or is under-stressed from the factory (and could last several decades) is besides the point. They will both experience increased wear and tear and thus failures as a result of being run harder. The only variable is by how much.
#30
Sure it is. Actual data and facts are in extremely short supply here, and your argument that your personal experience supports your conclusion is also wrong. That's like saying "I was standing not too far away when the Chernobyl reactor exploded and four years later I was fine, so exposure to radiation doesn't cause any harm." Google "335i tune failure" and have a read.
The reports of engine failures are extremely low by car forum standards. The n54 engine has forged internals and has been run reliably well above 500hp. BMW and Dinan both offered full engine warranties on tuned cars.
So back to the original point. Does tuning the car increase wear and decrease the lifetime of the engine in general? Almost certainly. It would be idiotic to claim otherwise. Even if the additional stress didn't, tuning the engine probably also had an impact on the driver's behavior which could accelerate wear.
Is the increase and wear and engine lifetime always significant? Obviously debatable, but on some engines (like the n54) the answer is may be no.