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Old 10-18-2015, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by moab
If that clown gets elected, I'm paying THOUSANDS more in taxes. And that money will go to help settle a bunch of ISIS sympathizers. Call me "ignorant" if you want for saying that, I don't give a sh*t!!
I totally understand where you're coming from, but I think you really need to look at the entire party's platform and think of what is best for this country, and not just what is best for one individual (ie. yourself), as difficult as that may be.

I must admit that part of my choice is due to the fact that I have so much contempt for this provincial Liberal party, that it has made it difficult for me to give much consideration to the Federal party, but deep down, I just feel that Trudeau is a buffoon and will not be a good leader for this country. Maybe I'm wrong. I sure hope so.
Old 10-18-2015, 08:08 PM
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We'll know the verdict in about 30 hours from now. After that I'll do what I usually do on Tuesdays.
Old 10-18-2015, 08:13 PM
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"Look at Harper's background before he became PM. Not much there! Trudeau is about the same..."

Another example of someone who never reads a paper. Harper, MA in economics and united the right,,,, a massive leadership accomplishment. Trudeau, one year as a drama teacher - inherited a name, wad of hair and an awesome Merc. Even my barber isn't voting for him. Good actor though if you're into hugs and unicorns.
Old 10-18-2015, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
If you are a user you don't want pot to be legalized. The price will sky rocket from the taxes any government will impose. The answers to the questions you ask V996 are pretty much common knowledge. Where you get the idea fossil fuels are relatively expensive is beyond me. Only coal is cheaper and we have hundreds if not thousands of years supply of it and fossil fuels. Justin's elimination of income splitting and reducing the TFSA will cost the average retired couple or working family of 4 over $4,000. His dinky little mid tax gap reduction will be under $1,000 so that will be the immediate cost to we poor taxpayers. Then there'll be more to come to finance those $10 billion deficits. They don't call 'em "tax & spend Liberals" for nothing.
Income splitting for seniors is still there. There will still be $5,500.00 TFSA. Only the increase is being cancelled.

The average working family was not maximizing the TFSA, only the top 15%. Actually most people could not take advantage of the 5500.

As far as deficits of 10B go, that shouldn't be a greater problem than Harper's eye popping six deficits totaling 130 Billion. Debt is measured by the amount of debt to GDP and these modest deficits will not increase that since our GDP grows faster than the debt. Economics 101.

Tax and spend Liberals....the last Liberal govt. reduced the debt by 100 billion and the conservatives inherited a 15 billion surplus in their first year in govt. Mulroney left the liberals a 44 billion deficit in their first year. Harper started on third base and thought he hit a home run.


The crap you are giving us is from drinking too much Reform cool aid. It's the usual misinformation that we have been given by these people and you buy it.

You can change the narrative but you can't change the facts.

What else have you got????
Old 10-18-2015, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by moab
If that clown gets elected, I'm paying THOUSANDS more in taxes.
Yup, in Ontario you'll get to keep 45 cent on the dollar with his 4% surtax!
Old 10-18-2015, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by V996
Conservatives under Harper:

- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.

Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.

And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
That goes for me too!
Thanks for doing all the typing.
Old 10-18-2015, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
"Look at Harper's background before he became PM. Not much there! Trudeau is about the same..."

Another example of someone who never reads a paper. Harper, MA in economics and united the right,,,, a massive leadership accomplishment. Trudeau, one year as a drama teacher - inherited a name, wad of hair and an awesome Merc. Even my barber isn't voting for him. Good actor though if you're into hugs and unicorns.
In a matter of three years under Trudeau's leadership he took a decimated Liberal party that was left for dead and rebuilt it. He has had to absorb a vicious campaign of personal attack ads from the moment he became leader of the Liberals. This has continued for over two years. Then Reform really stepped up their negative campaign of attack ads during this campaign. Millions were spent but they couldn't knock him out. They ridiculed him, called him a lightweight.Ridiculed him because he thought school. Ran thousands of ads saying he is not ready. He persevered. Furthermore he has done this without negative advertising and with less than half the budget the Reform party has spent. He distinguished himself in the debates. He worked endlessly selling his platform. And now he is a contender. He may not win the election but he most certainly won the election campaign. If he should win the election, it will be the first time that a party in third place has formed government in our history.

NOW IF THAT IS NOT A LEADER, WHAT IS????

Trudeau inherited more than a name from his father. He inherited his genes.

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Old 10-18-2015, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
"Look at Harper's background before he became PM. Not much there! Trudeau is about the same..."

Another example of someone who never reads a paper. Harper, MA in economics and united the right,,,, a massive leadership accomplishment. Trudeau, one year as a drama teacher - inherited a name, wad of hair and an awesome Merc. Even my barber isn't voting for him. Good actor though if you're into hugs and unicorns.
Wife says " smart people attended engineering, med or law school. The rest were in political science and economics"

What was Steve in again?

She's at the top of legal in provincial government so...
Old 10-18-2015, 09:08 PM
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A Trudeau govt has me very concerned.. Luckily we will be voting again soon
Old 10-19-2015, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by petee1997
In a matter of three years under Trudeau's leadership he took a decimated Liberal party that was left for dead and rebuilt it. He has had to absorb a vicious campaign of personal attack ads from the moment he became leader of the Liberals. This has continued for over two years. Then Reform really stepped up their negative campaign of attack ads during this campaign. Millions were spent but they couldn't knock him out. They ridiculed him, called him a lightweight.Ridiculed him because he thought school. Ran thousands of ads saying he is not ready. He persevered. Furthermore he has done this without negative advertising and with less than half the budget the Reform party has spent. He distinguished himself in the debates. He worked endlessly selling his platform. And now he is a contender. He may not win the election but he most certainly won the election campaign. If he should win the election, it will be the first time that a party in third place has formed government in our history.

NOW IF THAT IS NOT A LEADER, WHAT IS????

Trudeau inherited more than a name from his father. He inherited his genes.
I havent even decided on my vote yet...but you cant argue against that. All this "lacks experience" and bs about not being a leader. people flapping their mouths(towing the cons line) without any real thought put into what they are saying.
Old 10-19-2015, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Donster
It's about the larger issues surrounding large-scale Muslim immigration and its societal effects given certain of Islam's incompatibilities with western secular life.
give your head a shake.
Old 10-19-2015, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by petee1997
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You can change the narrative but you can't change the facts.
This from a guy who claims Harper's Master's degree in economics is no greater qualification to be PM than Justin's one year as a substitute drama teacher and a famous daddy?
Old 10-19-2015, 01:06 AM
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A degree is not street smarts. Bill Gates is a drop out. Never graduated. What is your point?

I will leave you with the latest Sunday night polls.

Poll Tracker average of 8 different polls shows LPC 37%, CPC 30%, NDP 20%

Nanos Sunday night poll LPC 39%, CPC 30%, NDP19%

Forum LPC 40% CPC 30% NDP 20%



Nanos says very few undecided left. Now it's who can get the vote out and keep in mind that 3.5 million have already voted when the polls were not as favorable for the LPC.

It will make for fun election to watch.
Old 10-19-2015, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by breakfast
give your head a shake.
I think you need to give your own head a shake if you think mass Muslim immigration is not a threat to western freedoms. I've travelled in Muslim countries, I've read the Koran. Believers are commanded to kill non-believers. Men are entitled to four wives. Separation of church and state is not permissible. Slavery is sanctioned. Adultery, homosexuality, and apostacy are punishable by death. Read it yourself if you don't believe me, but I think these facts are common knowledge.
Western society has advanced rapidly largely because we shook off religious governance following the Renaissance and replaced it with democracy and evidence-based thinking. Unlike Christianity, Islam doesn't just presume to inform man regarding God and morality, it instructs its adherents how to govern themselves. And unlike Christianity, Islam has never undergone anything resembling the Reformation.
As an example, just look at Turkey. Once the Muslim world's sole democracy, the election of an Islamic party has led to sharply curtailed freedoms, political purges and a slow transformation toward a one (Islamic) party state.
Maybe you think it's a great idea to welcome hundreds of thousands of adherents to a system of medieval superstitions and laws laid down 1400 years ago by an illiterate pederast, but I don't.

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Old 10-19-2015, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Donster
...Believers are commanded to kill non-believers. Men are entitled to four wives. Separation of church and state is not permissible. Slavery is sanctioned. Adultery, homosexuality, and apostacy are punishable by death. Read it yourself if you don't believe me, but I think these facts are common knowledge.
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As an example, just look at Turkey. Once the Muslim world's sole democracy, the election of an Islamic party has led to sharply curtailed freedoms, political purges and a slow transformation toward a one (Islamic) party state...

+1,000,000

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