Canada's reputation
#196
#197
Isn't communism the epitome of income equality? Everybody get paid the same even if doing vastly different jobs. Where is the incentive to educate yourself, work hard, and get properly compensated for it?
OTOH, in a free country you get rewarded for what society/ market is willing to pay.
Where is the happy medium?
OTOH, in a free country you get rewarded for what society/ market is willing to pay.
Where is the happy medium?
#198
He only gets half the royalties. The other half goes to the bum I see regularly who begs for money (who BTW, fakes his limp and apparently lives in a house - true story). That's how socialism works.
#199
We do a lot of miles - 40k km a year - so I've been told an expensive turbo is out. Looks like it's gonna be a Ford Edge. If the "she who chooses the colour" picks white, I'm gonna install Martini decals so I can attend the GTG's. Oh ya, and do you think Justin is going to be as bad a PM as Pierre - the worst PM in Canadian history? Me thinks the seed won't fall far from the tree.
#200
We do a lot of miles - 40k km a year - so I've been told an expensive turbo is out. Looks like it's gonna be a Ford Edge. If the "she who chooses the colour" picks white, I'm gonna install Martini decals so I can attend the GTG's. Oh ya, and do you think Justin is going to be as bad a PM as Pierre - the worst PM in Canadian history? Me thinks the seed won't fall far from the tree.
#201
Like it or not,(and I do not),the people have voted. The victory mathematically was more of a swing from NDP to Liberal votes rather than a huge loss of conservative voters.
So,here we are.
I have many fears for the future and net foreign disinvestment in Canada. We have an ageing population and we will tax the smaller active population. We are uncompetitive in labour costs and if you look at this province we have gone from a low cost to high cost energy producer Wynne was warned by both marchione of Fiat and by Ford. Now we add a new layer or tax and new debt,we are exposed when interest rates rise. I know Many people with good incomes and expensive homes but big mortgages. I don't expect much sympathy here if they get caught in a downturn but everyone will suffer in a housing crash. I am sure it is coming. Not much to be done now. We have a government duly elected ,- the puppy caught the truck. Evidently many do it to share my view and they have the government they wished for on both the country and the province.
So,here we are.
I have many fears for the future and net foreign disinvestment in Canada. We have an ageing population and we will tax the smaller active population. We are uncompetitive in labour costs and if you look at this province we have gone from a low cost to high cost energy producer Wynne was warned by both marchione of Fiat and by Ford. Now we add a new layer or tax and new debt,we are exposed when interest rates rise. I know Many people with good incomes and expensive homes but big mortgages. I don't expect much sympathy here if they get caught in a downturn but everyone will suffer in a housing crash. I am sure it is coming. Not much to be done now. We have a government duly elected ,- the puppy caught the truck. Evidently many do it to share my view and they have the government they wished for on both the country and the province.
Last edited by Ronan; 10-22-2015 at 09:36 PM.
#202
Teniecke, the Conservative campaign spokesperson was on the CBC Newsworld political program this evening and admitted they spent 20 million on the "Just not Ready" ads. And we all know how that worked out. Reminds me of the Brazeau vs Trudeau boxing match. Another example he wasn't ready.
They would have done better spending that money pushing the things they did right.
The result is that they are reduced to Alberta and their rural small town base in six provinces. To add insult to injury, the conservative party is now deep in debt. The Liberals spent less than half of the Tory budget. A positive message is much less expensive since there is no need for personal attack ads.
All big cities across country are red with a light sprinkling of orange with the exception of Calgary and Edmonton.
If it takes ten inklings for a clue, take this as an inkling.
By the way, is Cambridge a small town?
#203
To anyone who doesn't think income inequality is a problem:
Please educate yourselves on this topic before spouting non-fact or evidence driven arguments.
Most inequality is a result of wealthy families passing down their wealth and continuing to hoard it indefinitely, which benefits no one.
Please educate yourselves on this topic before spouting non-fact or evidence driven arguments.
Most inequality is a result of wealthy families passing down their wealth and continuing to hoard it indefinitely, which benefits no one.
1. Inherited wealth is not income and therefore by definition does not directly contribute to income inequality.
2. Inherited wealth is not taxable in Canada.
I eagerly await your enlightening and economically educated reply.
Last edited by Donster; 10-23-2015 at 12:43 AM.
#204
Like it or not,(and I do not),the people have voted. The victory mathematically was more of a swing from NDP to Liberal votes rather than a huge loss of conservative voters.
So,here we are.
I have many fears for the future and net foreign disinvestment in Canada. We have an ageing population and we will tax the smaller active population. We are uncompetitive in labour costs and if you look at this province we have gone from a low cost to high cost energy producer Winner was warned by both marchione of Fiat and by Ford. Now we add a new layer or tax and new debt,we are exposed when interest rates rise. I know Many people with good incomes and expensive homes but big mortgages. I don't expect much sympathy here if they get caught in a downturn but everyone will suffer in a housing crash. I am sure it is coming. Not much to be done now. We have a government duly elected ,- the puppy caught the truck. Evidently many do it to share my view and they have the government they wished for on both the country and the province.
So,here we are.
I have many fears for the future and net foreign disinvestment in Canada. We have an ageing population and we will tax the smaller active population. We are uncompetitive in labour costs and if you look at this province we have gone from a low cost to high cost energy producer Winner was warned by both marchione of Fiat and by Ford. Now we add a new layer or tax and new debt,we are exposed when interest rates rise. I know Many people with good incomes and expensive homes but big mortgages. I don't expect much sympathy here if they get caught in a downturn but everyone will suffer in a housing crash. I am sure it is coming. Not much to be done now. We have a government duly elected ,- the puppy caught the truck. Evidently many do it to share my view and they have the government they wished for on both the country and the province.
#206
Isn't communism the epitome of income equality? Everybody get paid the same even if doing vastly different jobs. Where is the incentive to educate yourself, work hard, and get properly compensated for it?
OTOH, in a free country you get rewarded for what society/ market is willing to pay.
Where is the happy medium?
OTOH, in a free country you get rewarded for what society/ market is willing to pay.
Where is the happy medium?
dude give your head a shake ...
I watched people parting away in my youth because they did not feel the need to go to college or university, they wanted to jsut party on . i had to pay for my education s lived in a low rentbuilding, i watched as one day of each month the taxis ( government paid for by chit) lined up to take the people to get there welfare checks, the line up fron the beer store were down the street and i could never get any sleep from the all night parties going on.
its all about choices, now these same people want my tax money so they can keep on partying.
I do all kinds of things to help the truly homeless and struggling, and have instilled that in my son who volunteers at a homeless shelter, but il be damned if i am going to let a government force me into paying for those who just want hand outs,
as Jeremy Clarkson said
"get a job, work harder, .. buy a car "
I watched people parting away in my youth because they did not feel the need to go to college or university, they wanted to jsut party on . i had to pay for my education s lived in a low rentbuilding, i watched as one day of each month the taxis ( government paid for by chit) lined up to take the people to get there welfare checks, the line up fron the beer store were down the street and i could never get any sleep from the all night parties going on.
its all about choices, now these same people want my tax money so they can keep on partying.
I do all kinds of things to help the truly homeless and struggling, and have instilled that in my son who volunteers at a homeless shelter, but il be damned if i am going to let a government force me into paying for those who just want hand outs,
as Jeremy Clarkson said
"get a job, work harder, .. buy a car "
Valid concern about the government forcing you to give if you are already giving, but at the end of the day we can't rely on the goodness of rich people's hearts as evidenced by soaring income inequality which is harming the economy of the nation.
You've certainly seem to have made a career out of learning how to distribute other peoples hard earned money.
No wealth was handed down to me..... what was handed down from my parents were principals that taught me to earn what I dream to have and not envy other peoples' wealth.
Get a life and get your f........ hands out of my pocket.
No wealth was handed down to me..... what was handed down from my parents were principals that taught me to earn what I dream to have and not envy other peoples' wealth.
Get a life and get your f........ hands out of my pocket.
This has nothing to do with envy, it has to do with economic health of the country. And I don't care about your personal sob story about how you worked hard and now the government is taking your money, since you don't care about stories of impoverished people who you stereotype as non-hard working. Since we don't care, please, on a nationwide statistical basis, provide an explanation of how income inequality such as CEOs making 100 times as much as the average worker was fairly achieved and how income inequality does not harm the economy as a whole.
What is the incentive to work, take risks, employee people and be responsible for payroll, rent, health insurance etc etc if there isn't an upside.
And by the way I always hear people ranting about income inequality and the 1 percent and income redistribution but I never hear anyone ranting about rich sports stars and how much they make with 0 risk and 0 employment of people.
And by the way I always hear people ranting about income inequality and the 1 percent and income redistribution but I never hear anyone ranting about rich sports stars and how much they make with 0 risk and 0 employment of people.
Lol. I'm simply arguing with the people in this thread who seem to think socialist ideas are automatically bad. Did you read their posts?
#207
Interesting.
You ask for fact or evidence based arguments, then post a long paragraph of anecdotal/hypothetical information devoid of objective facts and statistics. Even your language shows your bias- the use of a term like "putting more money into the hands of the impoverished and middle class" without acknowledging that "putting" that money there means taking it away from someone else who earned it.
As for the OECD, they are hardly an objective source of information. From their own website: "The OECD Centre for Opportunity and Equality is a platform for promoting and conducting policy-oriented research on the trends, causes and consequences of inequalities in society and the economy, and a forum to discuss how policies can best address such inequalities."
Looking to the OECD for objective information on income equality is like asking Harper for an opinion on criminal sentencing or the NDP for an opinion of private medical care- guaranteed to produce an ideology driven answer of a certain slant before the question is even formulated.
I do have an objective piece of data for you though. I am self employed and currently pay enough federal and provincial tax to support four people who don't work. Please explain why I should pay more.
You ask for fact or evidence based arguments, then post a long paragraph of anecdotal/hypothetical information devoid of objective facts and statistics. Even your language shows your bias- the use of a term like "putting more money into the hands of the impoverished and middle class" without acknowledging that "putting" that money there means taking it away from someone else who earned it.
As for the OECD, they are hardly an objective source of information. From their own website: "The OECD Centre for Opportunity and Equality is a platform for promoting and conducting policy-oriented research on the trends, causes and consequences of inequalities in society and the economy, and a forum to discuss how policies can best address such inequalities."
Looking to the OECD for objective information on income equality is like asking Harper for an opinion on criminal sentencing or the NDP for an opinion of private medical care- guaranteed to produce an ideology driven answer of a certain slant before the question is even formulated.
I do have an objective piece of data for you though. I am self employed and currently pay enough federal and provincial tax to support four people who don't work. Please explain why I should pay more.
Yes I used some anecdotes, I was just countering that these stereotypes are not true for all people. One anecdote is all you need to combat a stereotype that is applied to a group of people. In contrast, one anecdote does not make a stereotype of an entire group true.
Very nice, pulling the description from one of the OECD's subpages instead of their main mission statement. Do you know anything about the OECD dude? Like seriously. It's been around for 50 years and is one of the main drivers of economic policy on the planet in all aspects, not just equality. Lol.
You want another source? The IMF also argues income inequality is bad as well: "in 2011, International Monetary Fund economists showed that greater income equality—less inequality—increased the duration of countries' economic growth spells more than free trade, low government corruption, foreign investment, or low foreign debt."
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/futur...-refugees-cali
http://globalnews.ca/news/2228972/re...onomic-burden/
Please explain, oh font of economic knowledge, how income inequality derives from inherited wealth and how this will be corrected by a "tax intervention" given:
1. Inherited wealth is not income and therefore by definition does not directly contribute to income inequality.
2. Inherited wealth is not taxable in Canada.
I eagerly await your enlightening and economically educated reply.
1. Inherited wealth is not income and therefore by definition does not directly contribute to income inequality.
2. Inherited wealth is not taxable in Canada.
I eagerly await your enlightening and economically educated reply.
Also, most extremely wealthy people hold sizable investments in the stock market, and...
"Canada: abolished inheritance tax in 1972. However, capital gains are 50% taxable and added to all other income of the deceased on their final return"
#208
Ronan of course is correct about the short and long term risks to our economy but my biggest concern, and complaint with the Harper government, is they failed to amend the Canada Health Act and allow provinces to open up health care to the private sector. With the Liberals in power there is no hope of fixing our bottom of the barrel Soviet health care system. If you can't afford US health care, you could be pretty screwed. And that's why were getting an Edge instead of a Cayenne Turbo.....Prince of Blends or what 'eh?
#210
There is a happy medium, the most skilled should still be making more than the average person and I'm certainly not arguing against that at all. But currently the balance has swung too far.
First part is anecdotal evidence and stereotyping.
Valid concern about the government forcing you to give if you are already giving, but at the end of the day we can't rely on the goodness of rich people's hearts as evidenced by soaring income inequality which is harming the economy of the nation.
I don't care about your personal sob story about how you worked hard and now the government is taking your money, since you don't care about stories of impoverished people who you stereotype as non-hard working. Since we don't care, please, on a nationwide statistical basis, provide an explanation of how income inequality such as CEOs making 100 times as much as the average worker was fairly achieved and how income inequality does not harm the economy as a whole.
This has nothing to do with envy, it has to do with economic health of the country. And I don't care about your personal sob story about how you worked hard and now the government is taking your money, since you don't care about stories of impoverished people who you stereotype as non-hard working. Since we don't care, please, on a nationwide statistical basis, provide an explanation of how income inequality such as CEOs making 100 times as much as the average worker was fairly achieved and how income inequality does not harm the economy as a whole.
Yes it does have a lot to offer, that doesn't mean we should stop pushing for more progress. If people had this mentality 150 years ago, we'd still be working in the coal mines as children.
What is the incentive to take risks and be an entrepreneur if there is not a social safety net to catch you if you fail? The vast majority of entrepreneurs fail and it's because of our existing safety nets and bankruptcy laws that people even try at all. Why not go further? Again, check out countries like Denmark which has a very healthy GDP in spite of basically being a welfare state. Maybe there's something to it?
Lol. I'm simply arguing with the people in this thread who seem to think socialist ideas are automatically bad. Did you read their posts?
First part is anecdotal evidence and stereotyping.
Valid concern about the government forcing you to give if you are already giving, but at the end of the day we can't rely on the goodness of rich people's hearts as evidenced by soaring income inequality which is harming the economy of the nation.
I don't care about your personal sob story about how you worked hard and now the government is taking your money, since you don't care about stories of impoverished people who you stereotype as non-hard working. Since we don't care, please, on a nationwide statistical basis, provide an explanation of how income inequality such as CEOs making 100 times as much as the average worker was fairly achieved and how income inequality does not harm the economy as a whole.
This has nothing to do with envy, it has to do with economic health of the country. And I don't care about your personal sob story about how you worked hard and now the government is taking your money, since you don't care about stories of impoverished people who you stereotype as non-hard working. Since we don't care, please, on a nationwide statistical basis, provide an explanation of how income inequality such as CEOs making 100 times as much as the average worker was fairly achieved and how income inequality does not harm the economy as a whole.
Yes it does have a lot to offer, that doesn't mean we should stop pushing for more progress. If people had this mentality 150 years ago, we'd still be working in the coal mines as children.
What is the incentive to take risks and be an entrepreneur if there is not a social safety net to catch you if you fail? The vast majority of entrepreneurs fail and it's because of our existing safety nets and bankruptcy laws that people even try at all. Why not go further? Again, check out countries like Denmark which has a very healthy GDP in spite of basically being a welfare state. Maybe there's something to it?
Lol. I'm simply arguing with the people in this thread who seem to think socialist ideas are automatically bad. Did you read their posts?