Penalty for radar detector use
04-27-2010, 12:55 AM
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Went to Hershey past weekend. Lets just say I wasnt a very law abiding citizen all three days. (US laws are written for Americans. I AM CANADIAN!)
The V1 saved me from getting a ticket at least three times. On day three coming back the wife says: "You know, its amaising that you have not been pulled over the way you've been driving." And sure enough, 30 min later, when I was about to pass a car, the V1 made that "special" sound. I knew she was gonna curse me. Anyway, the trouper gave me a ticket and said with a smile:"My equipment is better than yours."
The V1 saved me from getting a ticket at least three times. On day three coming back the wife says: "You know, its amaising that you have not been pulled over the way you've been driving." And sure enough, 30 min later, when I was about to pass a car, the V1 made that "special" sound. I knew she was gonna curse me. Anyway, the trouper gave me a ticket and said with a smile:"My equipment is better than yours."
04-27-2010, 09:49 PM
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You are right, they don't have grounds to search you under the Highway Traffic Act. They do under the Criminal Code. Concealing the radar on your person is a good way to kick yourself in the nuts. You can be charged with obstrucing justice. Criminal Code offence. BAD strategy. The dummy detector (so you don't lose the expensive one) MIGHT work, but for the most part, this is one area where you simply admit defeat, give up the radar, pay the fine and move on.
1) R.v. Arseneau [1988] O.J. No. 2525 (Prov. Div.)
- The defendant "pocketed" the RD.
- The officer searched the car as allowed by Section 79
- He noticed an object in the suspects pocket.
- The suspect denied posession
- Suspect was arrested for Obstruction
- The judge stated there is nothing in law to compel the defendant to turn over the RD to the LEO. With no such compulsion the officer had no right to make the arrest. The RD evidence was excluded.
2) R. v. Dunne [1992] O.J. No. 1884 (Prov. Div.)
- virtually the same senario as above.
- the judge stated that the seizure of the RD incident to the offence of obstructing justice constituted a violation of the accused S. 8 rights.
- The RD was excluded from testimony
- Section 79 provides no power to search a person, nor does it provide a power of arrest.
- Section 79 is not included among offences which arrest without warrant may be made under S. 217
- The defendant has the common law right to remain silent and had no obligation to assist the officer.
- The defendant "pocketed" the RD.
- The officer searched the car as allowed by Section 79
- He noticed an object in the suspects pocket.
- The suspect denied posession
- Suspect was arrested for Obstruction
- The judge stated there is nothing in law to compel the defendant to turn over the RD to the LEO. With no such compulsion the officer had no right to make the arrest. The RD evidence was excluded.
2) R. v. Dunne [1992] O.J. No. 1884 (Prov. Div.)
- virtually the same senario as above.
- the judge stated that the seizure of the RD incident to the offence of obstructing justice constituted a violation of the accused S. 8 rights.
- The RD was excluded from testimony
- Section 79 provides no power to search a person, nor does it provide a power of arrest.
- Section 79 is not included among offences which arrest without warrant may be made under S. 217
- The defendant has the common law right to remain silent and had no obligation to assist the officer.
04-27-2010, 10:10 PM
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Went to Hershey past weekend. Lets just say I wasnt a very law abiding citizen all three days. (US laws are written for Americans. I AM CANADIAN!)
The V1 saved me from getting a ticket at least three times. On day three coming back the wife says: "You know, its amaising that you have not been pulled over the way you've been driving." And sure enough, 30 min later, when I was about to pass a car, the V1 made that "special" sound. I knew she was gonna curse me. Anyway, the trouper gave me a ticket and said with a smile:"My equipment is better than yours."
The V1 saved me from getting a ticket at least three times. On day three coming back the wife says: "You know, its amaising that you have not been pulled over the way you've been driving." And sure enough, 30 min later, when I was about to pass a car, the V1 made that "special" sound. I knew she was gonna curse me. Anyway, the trouper gave me a ticket and said with a smile:"My equipment is better than yours."
What state was it .. ? do they have a reciprocal agreement. ? if they do it is gonna show on your lisence.. i hope you got a break ..
end of the dauy he is right I guess.. and that is why you take turns leading on a cruise .. I think i remember someone saying that ....
Too bad I didn't get to meet the wife .... I was amazed I didn't see you at all the whole day ..
05-01-2010, 12:01 AM
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Stan that totaly bites dude ..
What state was it .. ? do they have a reciprocal agreement. ? if they do it is gonna show on your lisence.. i hope you got a break ..
end of the dauy he is right I guess.. and that is why you take turns leading on a cruise .. I think i remember someone saying that ....
Too bad I didn't get to meet the wife .... I was amazed I didn't see you at all the whole day ..
What state was it .. ? do they have a reciprocal agreement. ? if they do it is gonna show on your lisence.. i hope you got a break ..
end of the dauy he is right I guess.. and that is why you take turns leading on a cruise .. I think i remember someone saying that ....
Too bad I didn't get to meet the wife .... I was amazed I didn't see you at all the whole day ..
05-08-2010, 01:28 PM
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I had a Valentine One (which is awesome and supposedly undetectable). But I have stopped using it since the introduction of laser radar. Given how finely focused a laser beam is, once it's off the target is "dead meat" despite the detector going off. Problem probably compounds if the cops sees you slamming on the brake as a result...
So my Valentine One is now collecting dust.
So my Valentine One is now collecting dust.
05-08-2010, 02:17 PM
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I agree that there's not much you can do about laser, but the city police in Kingston and the one OPP officer that likes to camp out to catch the people who commute to my remote office, are still using radar.
One thing I wasn't expecting was that every automatic door opener in the city gives me a K-band alert. It's quite annoying.
One thing I wasn't expecting was that every automatic door opener in the city gives me a K-band alert. It's quite annoying.
05-08-2010, 04:09 PM
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Here is an excerpt from the Valentine One site:
The real question is, can V1 be found by an instrument called a "radar-detector detector?"
Good radar detectors, like good AM/FM radios, are super-heterodyne receivers, and they all share a common trait. They receive, but they also transmit a signal; it's called "local oscillator emissions." This transmitted signal can be found by another radio if it's tuned to the right frequency. A radar-detector detector is merely a radio tuned to the right frequency range for most detectors.
VG2 is the most famous of the radar-detector detectors.
A little history: Escort was the first X-K super-heterodyne detector. Jim Jaeger and I invented it, working out of his basement in the mid-seventies. Since then, other detector makers have taken the easy way and copied Escort's frequency scheme, which means they have the same L-O frequency. So VG2 knows right where to tune for them.
The one detector that's apart from the pack is V1. I didn't copy myself. So VG2 misses Valentine One. In our tests, Valentine One is better than all others for VG2-proofing. Our best competitors are pretty good, maybe good enough. Some others resort to a dubious strategy; they switch off their radar protection when they sense VG2 nearby.
Recently, we've been hearing of another radar-detector detector, the Spectre RDD. Used first in Canada, enforcers of detector bans in Virginia and Washington, DC, and the nationwide ban in heavy trucks, surely have this tool on their must-have list. It claims to have been designed specifically "to detect the latest state of the art stealth-type radar warning receivers." Does it find V1? Very likely, according to reports we've been hearing from a few V1 users. One participant in an internet chat room, who claimed to be a Canadian enforcer, said "I've snagged a Valentine 1 already." We've been unable to acquire a Spectre RDD for testing. Until we can do so, be advised that no super-heterodyne receiver is perfectly undetectable, and that includes V1.
The real question is, can V1 be found by an instrument called a "radar-detector detector?"
Good radar detectors, like good AM/FM radios, are super-heterodyne receivers, and they all share a common trait. They receive, but they also transmit a signal; it's called "local oscillator emissions." This transmitted signal can be found by another radio if it's tuned to the right frequency. A radar-detector detector is merely a radio tuned to the right frequency range for most detectors.
VG2 is the most famous of the radar-detector detectors.
A little history: Escort was the first X-K super-heterodyne detector. Jim Jaeger and I invented it, working out of his basement in the mid-seventies. Since then, other detector makers have taken the easy way and copied Escort's frequency scheme, which means they have the same L-O frequency. So VG2 knows right where to tune for them.
The one detector that's apart from the pack is V1. I didn't copy myself. So VG2 misses Valentine One. In our tests, Valentine One is better than all others for VG2-proofing. Our best competitors are pretty good, maybe good enough. Some others resort to a dubious strategy; they switch off their radar protection when they sense VG2 nearby.
Recently, we've been hearing of another radar-detector detector, the Spectre RDD. Used first in Canada, enforcers of detector bans in Virginia and Washington, DC, and the nationwide ban in heavy trucks, surely have this tool on their must-have list. It claims to have been designed specifically "to detect the latest state of the art stealth-type radar warning receivers." Does it find V1? Very likely, according to reports we've been hearing from a few V1 users. One participant in an internet chat room, who claimed to be a Canadian enforcer, said "I've snagged a Valentine 1 already." We've been unable to acquire a Spectre RDD for testing. Until we can do so, be advised that no super-heterodyne receiver is perfectly undetectable, and that includes V1.
05-08-2010, 05:38 PM
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