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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rally Guy
But I'm sorry that you can no longer consider any of my opnions because of a single post. For you to dismiss and disparage my positions because of my conjecture, suggests to me that you are now over reacting. But let's agree on this - we DO share a love of this country, a love of awesome automobiles and the need for a good discission. Perhaps that's enough common ground to move forwar upon? I leave it up to you.
Well said.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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looks like the conservatives get a clear majority win on Rennlist. Too bad there isn't a party that will ban the 50 over and the plane, i would vote for them.!!!
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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looks like the conservatives get a clear majority win on Rennlist. Too bad there isn't a party that will ban the 50 over and the plane, i would vote for them.!!!
vote for me as a write in candidate. i will keep public heath care, put fantino on chain gang duty, cut interest rates another half point, leave the 1200$ child tax credit, and nationalize the hockey night in canada theme song.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Vote for Omar !!!

wait did you say anything else other than stringing up Fantino and the hockey song ?
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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^ yeah..something about subsidized breast implants and nuclear power.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:21 AM
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Oh boy - here's some more good news.

Canadians were asked in 2008, - BY THE HARPER GOV - before carfting a budget - about 18 spending priorities. LAST (lowest) on the list? Increase in military spending.

Harpers response...

"In total, the Government plans to invest
close to $490 billion in defence over this (20 year) period.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

Talk about WANTON spending!

I'm not making this up - I cut and paste that from...

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/focus/first/defstra_e.asp

Don't know about this??? Because it was quietly released in the middle of the night - only on the Defence Dept's website.

Why? YOU don't want to spend this kind of money on the military.

Did you know this? Do you support it? Are you going to vote for a "leader" who has to "slip in" multi-billion dollar spending initiatives because the people of his country don't want it?

Why isn't this FRONT PAGE news???

Unbeliveable - but there it is in black and white for you to read.

Now - who's supporting this scammer?

RK
Well I'm back. It seems folks want the discussion to continue and are a bit upset with me due to my response to a post. That response was due to the content and unfounded accusations. To me ... the perps are anarchists who just happen to tune in to the political banter between parties and decided that was their plan of action ... We will find it's not related to a particular party ... just some **** disturbers that need a year in James Bay on an island!!!


Now ... in regards to the military spending, go back over the last few yaers and look at the polls then. There was a public demand for increased spending. Polls do not determine Government policies as the publics attention is always shifting. The Military Budget has been in the news for over a year ... this does not come as a surprise.

BTW ... in crafting any larger budget, one has to call out for RFQ's and review these. It takes time to determine the best course of action/product/service and then place it in the budget (I do this as part of my job). As for not funding the military ... guess you don't want search and rescue, assiance during times of crisis such as floods etc., protect Canadas sovernty, patrol for illegal activites, provide assistance during disasters in other countries such as Burma, provide Peacemakers & keepers, come to the aid of those that request it such as was requested of Creitain from Afghanistan etc.

The military also creates jobs within Canada as well as promotes the discovery of new technologies. We happen to have the best equipt soldiers in the field in uniforms and communications. Our small Navy's frigates are the best in the world. Even the USA requests our presence in times of striff. We also need to replace equipment as it does have a shelf life. Bullets, bombs, uniforms, vehicles, ships, aircraft wear out or become stale. We ask them to perform ... but don't provide them with proper equipment??? Look at the Seaking fiasco ... that was pure politics ... and placed many lives in jeopardy. Many have lost their lives on these aircraft. So much for doing Search & Rescue ....
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Further - the numbers suggest that I'm NOT either a) in the minority (polls al
But that doesn't mean you have to abandon the core value system that underpins your society. You say "cradle to grave" like it's something bad or wrong. So taking care of babies, and the aged is NOT something you're in favour of? Ah - yes - it IS the Harper way! Cut child care, allow private clinics so resources are drained from the public system.

You're right! Cradle to grave is BAD! Only the strong, fit, "normal" folks should survive! Let the market decide who wins and who loses!

'Cept this isn't a terribly admirable way to run a country. We've been all over these issues before - and let's suffice it to say - informed, compassionate voters don't want the county you seem to be advocating. They want the Canada that is (well, was!) globally admired for it's care of all of it's people - through strong, supportive government - it's leadership in the care for the enviroment and a unique balance of commerce and compassion.

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OK ... healthcare is a PROVINCIAL responsibility and has been destroyed by David peterson and Bob Ray. They drastically cut medical seats in our university system to the point were we are in a dire shortage of healthcare workers ... That has been a provincial blunder. My doctor was the head of the Ontario Docors association (forget the name) and they went on strike to fight it. The Pols blamed the greedy docs on the raising healthcare costs. Now we suffer.

Oh, the Gov. only allows them to make so much and work only so long. Once they have met the maximum, they are not allowed to work/Bill in Ontario. So ... they go elsewere and practice there (uaually the states). If we did allow private practice in conjunction with the public system the issues today od backlogs would dissapear. The docs will work to their max and then do private practice afterwards. They would still bill at the same rate as OHIP and those that wish to take this route may. In some cases they may pay more if they wish for speedier service. This will open up spaces in the public system and people will wait less. There are options and those that wish to take it can have that option. Is it better that we have these folks go to other countries???

The existing system is private practice but funded by the Gov. Hell ... eye exams were de listed ... who's idea was that???

We need more spaces in the school system to creat more doctors ... add spaces ... get more doctors. In the 70's & 80's there were plenty to go around ... now due to politics ... folks suffer.

It is the PROVICES that screwed up ...
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:45 AM
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Jaak - clearly the arts aren't your thing. And that's okay. But you can't argue that they don't constitute a massive economic engine for Canada. You wanted the source?

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/press/...ng-culture.asp

There you go. So - to cut funding to a sector that contributes MORE to the GDP than oil and gas extraction or the forestry industry seems foolish to me. Wouldn't you agree?

Harper's follow-on snide remarks about the arts, much like some of yours, bespeak a simple distaste for them. And Jaak - I don't actually care if you like the arts one bit - you've got fine taste in cars (although someone closer to an artist than an engineer penned that bodyshape), but I can't vote for a leader who doesn't understand that art and culture make us Canadian more than anything else while pumping serious piles of cash into the economy.

RK
So ..if it does contribute to the GDP ... how come they need more funding? Does the art community not refund themselves? Seems they take the money and run and don't re invest. The issue that was out there was a sligh withdrwl of funding. Everone acted as if all was removed. In todays climate ... every budget should be trimmed as we need to tighten our belts.

It is no surprise that Canada has the WORLDS BEST banking system. We do not have the same credit issues the the rest of the world has. The Fed has asked Canada to buy up troubled banks at firesale prices. We are the leaders

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Canadian banks ranked soundest in the world
U.S. has fallen to No. 40 in World Economic Forum list
Last Updated: Thursday, October 9, 2008 | 4:40 PM ET
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Canada has the world's soundest banking system, closely followed by Sweden, Luxembourg and Australia, a survey by the World Economic Forum has found as a financial crisis and bank failures shake world markets.

Britain, which once ranked in the top five, has slipped to 44th place behind El Salvador and Peru, after its government pledged the equivalent of $97 billion Cdn this week to bolster bank balance sheets.

The United States, where some of Wall Street's biggest financial names have collapsed in recent weeks, rated only 40th, just behind Germany, at 39th, and smaller states such as Barbados, Estonia and even Namibia, in southern Africa.

On Thursday, the U.S. was considering buying a slice of debt-laden banks to inject trust back into lending between financial institutions now too wary of one another to lend.

The World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Report based its findings on opinions of executives and assigned banks a score between 1.0 (insolvent and possibly requiring a government bailout) and 7.0 (healthy, with sound balance sheets).

Canadian banks received a score of 6.8, just ahead of Sweden (6.7), Luxembourg (6.7), Australia (6.7) and Denmark (6.7).

‘When Harper's Conservatives were in Opposition, they lobbied for de-regulation and bank mergers. As we can see, that wasn't a good idea. ’

U.K. banks collectively scored 6.0, narrowly behind the United States, Germany and Botswana, all with 6.1. France, in 19th place, scored 6.5 for soundness while Switzerland's banking system scored the same in 16th place, as did Singapore (13th).

The ranking index was released as central banks in Europe, the U.S., China, Canada, Sweden and Switzerland slashed interest rates in a bid to end panic selling on markets and restore trust in the shaken banking system.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:57 AM
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Jaak,

You have produced some great arguements here but you have RK all wrong. I have known him for years and he is smart, well read and spends a ton of time educating himself on the things that matter to him. He also has a great sense of humour and like all of us here loves Porsche's. If you are upset about his comment, you SHOULD respond to him, but don't challenge his integrity. As far as I am concerned, your arguements are no more or less powerful than his arguements.

If RK said something offensive, then then you have every right to call him on it, but his political views are well thought out and researched I can assure you there is absolutely no reason to dicredit any of them. But I am sure most people here are smart enough to look past your comments. You and RK act as if your guys are running for the President of the USA, and the smear campaigns have begun.

Stick to the your valuable input from your point of view and RK should stick to his. You will not sway him and he will not sway you, but all the undecideds are learning a ton.

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I am know as a joker ... and to set my joking apart ... i do change the way I write ... the style is in a way that no one would misconstrue ... er sumtin' like dat, eh I also include a few smilie ...:ico n107: to add to the humour ... BTW .. I leave the "u" in houmour .......

I have slowed down my rennlist "viewing" due to the politics in OT ... wamt to see a giant sandbox ... enter at your own risk. The discussion we had till the "incident" was tame as hell ... more Canadian than what's out there now. My issue is that I do have a job and I need to get ****e don before winter sets in. Also this forum keeps crashing ..................... fark!!!

I have not discredited his political view ... it was the one rant without substance that turned be off ... I would and do not stoop that low. I prefere to leave ... and as the english say" It leaves a bad taste in ones mouth". When I first heard about it .. anarchists was the first thing that came to mind. NOT a plitical party ... but a fringe disturbed group albeit a small group.

The above message ... who gives a ****e ... no way in hell can I pay for it ... gotta hack in and post it on the walls before the man sees it ..... Nothing to see here ... move on now ... git!
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DeAd-EyE
vote for me as a write in candidate. i will keep public heath care, put fantino on chain gang duty, cut interest rates another half point, leave the 1200$ child tax credit, and nationalize the hockey night in canada theme song.
Hey goober ... Fantino is a PROVINCIAL issue ... sheesh ...git yer polotiks write der bye ... lard tunderin jeezus ....
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 12:59 AM
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Everyone happy?????
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaak Lepson
The existing system is private practice but funded by the Gov. Hell ... eye exams were de listed ... who's idea was that???
FYI: Get your eye exams at an ophthalmologist instead of with an optometrist and it's covered by OHIP. Don't ask me why, just passing on a tip.
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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaak Lepson
So ..if it does contribute to the GDP ... how come they need more funding? Does the art community not refund themselves? Seems they take the money and run and don't re invest.
The arts contribute to the gdp the same way good infrastructure does. It doesn't necessarily make money for itself, but for the country as a whole. Surely you understand the principal of contribution, not just making self-contained profit, right?

Every budget should be trimmed as we need to tighten our belts.
Then why are we spending 18.1 billion in Afghanistan, with plans to stop, at least according to Harper? According to Harper, our economy is all rosy and will weather the storm, etc. etc. So which is it? Can't be both.
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Such warmth and empathy in a political leader

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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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The arts contribute to the gdp the same way good infrastructure does. It doesn't necessarily make money for itself, but for the country as a whole. Surely you understand the principal of contribution, not just making self-contained profit, right?

Then why did the topic of oil etc having a less contribution? They do return a lot back to the system (who do help finance the arts as well).


Then why are we spending 18.1 billion in Afghanistan, with plans to stop, at least according to Harper? According to Harper, our economy is all rosy and will weather the storm, etc. etc. So which is it? Can't be both.
We are sitting real nice ... better than the rest of the world. Increased spending is NOT the route to take. Others had done so in the past and had rissen our defict and debt. We have reduced dept ... do not need more. Now is the time to ease up a bit and keep some in the bank.
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