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Originally Posted by theiceman
c'mon .. tell us what you REALLY think ... actually I was thinking of signing up for skid pad myself, But I do rather like my brand new soft compound tires ... and would like to keep them round a little longer ...
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Ian Law is as good as they come, check out his school.
http://www.carcontrolschool.com/
I've done the Skid Pad with PCA and found it worth while especially the throttle control exercise to do asymetic circules around two cones on the skid pad. The idea is to get the car balanced right at the limit then without using the steering wheel manuver the car inside one cone and outside the other cone using only the throttle, then switching things around without stopping
. I haven't heard any of the other schools doing that exercise.
Noble is right, there is a chance of getting flat spots on your tires but IMO there is a chance of this hapening with any of the schools. I used an old set of tires when I did the course three years ago and I smoked my fronts on my first threshold braking run but after that I did my best to maximize my braking without locking the wheels after all that's the object of the exercise.
http://www.carcontrolschool.com/
I've done the Skid Pad with PCA and found it worth while especially the throttle control exercise to do asymetic circules around two cones on the skid pad. The idea is to get the car balanced right at the limit then without using the steering wheel manuver the car inside one cone and outside the other cone using only the throttle, then switching things around without stopping
. I haven't heard any of the other schools doing that exercise.Noble is right, there is a chance of getting flat spots on your tires but IMO there is a chance of this hapening with any of the schools. I used an old set of tires when I did the course three years ago and I smoked my fronts on my first threshold braking run but after that I did my best to maximize my braking without locking the wheels after all that's the object of the exercise.
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Originally Posted by Christien
Whom do you suggest?
i suggest any big name school that has a history and reputation. PCA is for the most part guys like any of us who stayed in the club long enough to be called instructors. there are some exceptions but this is the fact for the most part.
for skid control this is a good one www.skidcontrolschool.com
for learning to lap i would pick any one you like. seat time is most important.
Ian law is good too
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Originally Posted by Mark Lue
Ian Law is as good as they come, check out his school.
http://www.carcontrolschool.com/
I've done the Skid Pad with PCA and found it worth while especially the throttle control exercise to do asymetic circules around two cones on the skid pad. The idea is to get the car balanced right at the limit then without using the steering wheel manuver the car inside one cone and outside the other cone using only the throttle, then switching things around without stopping . I haven't heard any of the other schools doing that exercise.
Noble is right, there is a chance of getting flat spots on your tires but IMO there is a chance of this hapening with any of the schools. I used an old set of tires when I did the course two years ago and I smoked my fronts on my first threshold braking run but after that I did my best to maximize my braking without locking the wheels after all that's the object of the exercise.
http://www.carcontrolschool.com/
I've done the Skid Pad with PCA and found it worth while especially the throttle control exercise to do asymetic circules around two cones on the skid pad. The idea is to get the car balanced right at the limit then without using the steering wheel manuver the car inside one cone and outside the other cone using only the throttle, then switching things around without stopping
. I haven't heard any of the other schools doing that exercise.Noble is right, there is a chance of getting flat spots on your tires but IMO there is a chance of this hapening with any of the schools. I used an old set of tires when I did the course two years ago and I smoked my fronts on my first threshold braking run but after that I did my best to maximize my braking without locking the wheels after all that's the object of the exercise.
if your car has no ABS and you want to learn max braking i understand risking flat spots. but if your car comes with ABS ( which even some race cars, even the last gen cup cars had em!) why unplug your ABS fuse and **** up your tires. shouldnt you learn to drive with the tools your car has?? you will never get enough heat in the tires at a PCA skid pad event to have them grip enough to practice max braking and will therefore lock them up constantly. of course when I posed this question to the PCA heros the answer was " you should learn in case your ABS fails" in all my street and track driving all over North america and some europe, i have NEVER had an ABS failure. even when lapping my GT3 at sebring for 2 solid days!! the pont is learn from a pro who runs a school, not a guy who thinks hes fast.
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Originally Posted by NOBLEGT3
the pont is learn from a pro who runs a school, not a guy who thinks hes fast.
I am of the mind that any track/seat time is great even on the DDT and Skid Pad at Mosport. I actually find the Skid Pad event fun, I actually signed up and got accepted to the event last spring although I have already gone through to qualify for DE but when I found out a couple of my buddies just missed the cut I gave up my spot to give one of them a shot.
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Originally Posted by Mark Lue
Noble, your points are well taken especially the last one and I agree. As you know they don't allow novices who want to do the DE events without first doing the Skip Pad event.
I am of the mind that any track/seat time is great even on the DDT and Skid Pad at Mosport. I actually find the Skid Pad event fun, I actually signed up and got accepted to the event last spring although I have already gone through to qualify for DE but when I found out a couple of my buddies just missed the cut I gave up my spot to give one of them a shot.
I am of the mind that any track/seat time is great even on the DDT and Skid Pad at Mosport. I actually find the Skid Pad event fun, I actually signed up and got accepted to the event last spring although I have already gone through to qualify for DE but when I found out a couple of my buddies just missed the cut I gave up my spot to give one of them a shot.
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Aprox. 3 years ago I was at Mosport w/ pcaucr and a guy had a 6 month old 996...going into turn 7 his abs failed and he ended up going into the wall after the run off area. In my humble opinion the lessons learned are helpful to have...I am thinking of sending my wife in the spring. If you don't go crazy, you will not flat spot your tires. Pca is good if you don't want to spend $1000's on just track time (not including car costs), and want to go during weekends. A few years ago it seemed pretty ****, however now it is just mostly safe, fun and a good opportunity to learn how to improve to go fast.
Noble: if abs is so good to have on a race car, why are people saying they are upset with the new gt3 for not being able to turn off computer driver aids? (abs and (I think) traction control)
also don't get me wrong, I just feel for the average hobby porsche guy pca de is a great way to have fun learning the track and they have regularly scheduled events that can be attended with minimal planning on the drivers end. also Rick Bye is available at some events to help with lap times if you desire.
Noble: if abs is so good to have on a race car, why are people saying they are upset with the new gt3 for not being able to turn off computer driver aids? (abs and (I think) traction control)
also don't get me wrong, I just feel for the average hobby porsche guy pca de is a great way to have fun learning the track and they have regularly scheduled events that can be attended with minimal planning on the drivers end. also Rick Bye is available at some events to help with lap times if you desire.
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Originally Posted by Turbodan
Aprox. 3 years ago I was at Mosport w/ pcaucr and a guy had a 6 month old 996...going into turn 7 his abs failed and he ended up going into the wall after the run off area. In my humble opinion the lessons learned are helpful to have...I am thinking of sending my wife in the spring. If you don't go crazy, you will not flat spot your tires. Pca is good if you don't want to spend $1000's on just track time (not including car costs), and want to go during weekends. A few years ago it seemed pretty ****, however now it is just mostly safe, fun and a good opportunity to learn how to improve to go fast.
Noble: if abs is so good to have on a race car, why are people saying they are upset with the new gt3 for not being able to turn off computer driver aids? (abs and (I think) traction control)
also don't get me wrong, I just feel for the average hobby porsche guy pca de is a great way to have fun learning the track and they have regularly scheduled events that can be attended with minimal planning on the drivers end. also Rick Bye is available at some events to help with lap times if you desire.
Noble: if abs is so good to have on a race car, why are people saying they are upset with the new gt3 for not being able to turn off computer driver aids? (abs and (I think) traction control)
also don't get me wrong, I just feel for the average hobby porsche guy pca de is a great way to have fun learning the track and they have regularly scheduled events that can be attended with minimal planning on the drivers end. also Rick Bye is available at some events to help with lap times if you desire.
i didnt say ABS was good on race cars i said it should be learned if its on the car you drive not disconnected. Last generation GT3 had ABS and new GT3 has TC that can be turned off. so what? F1 cars have every computer aid known to man , do those drivers suck?
PCA is silly for reasons i have listed..
they also think helmets are dangerous as you feel invincible and will drive faster.( quote from a PCA instructor)
and please explain to me about the fire extinguisher?? i guess all the new guys should immediately pull over on track and douse a burning car?? brilliant
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Originally Posted by NOBLEGT3
they also think helmets are dangerous as you feel invincible and will drive faster.( quote from a PCA instructor)
Originally Posted by NOBLEGT3
i guess all the new guys should immediately pull over on track and douse a burning car??
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Originally Posted by Mark Lue
Come on, who would say something dumb or short sighted like that???
I have the ABC type that Mantis sells, there are a few owners that would kill me if I used it on their P-Car.... Halon ones are OK.
I have the ABC type that Mantis sells, there are a few owners that would kill me if I used it on their P-Car.... Halon ones are OK.
should john q public at a track day be putting out gas fires on an active track???