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#31
That is in the clear coat before I took it to my detailer for polishing and PPF. This is minutes after getting the car home from buying it at PCO. This is how they delivered the car to me. I didn’t see it under the showroom lights, but it was very clear out in the sunshine. The polishing marks left on my trim in the pic were done by PCO when they tried to correct it before I picked the car up. I’m pissed that they did not disclose this to me before I paid for the car. I would not have accepted it as is if they would have.
My detailer was able to improve the area, but not correct it. Repaint would be the only way to actually fix it. PCO wants to blend that spot, but I am refusing that solution as no one wants a repainted area on their brand new 911. Like I said above, the marks are small, especially after polishing by a pro, but that is not the point. I can’t understand how Porsche allowed this to leave the plant and I certainly can’t accept PCO thinking that this would be acceptable to a customer.
My detailer was able to improve the area, but not correct it. Repaint would be the only way to actually fix it. PCO wants to blend that spot, but I am refusing that solution as no one wants a repainted area on their brand new 911. Like I said above, the marks are small, especially after polishing by a pro, but that is not the point. I can’t understand how Porsche allowed this to leave the plant and I certainly can’t accept PCO thinking that this would be acceptable to a customer.
Sadly the luxury car, or luxury anything experience is **** poor now on average for items with waiting lists. There is a noticeable difference when you go into a luxury store with product to sell vs. one that doesn't. This was reaffirmed by my recent shopping trips with my wife as she was looking at getting a new handbag. Massively off-putting, just like watches and cars unfortunately.
#32
That really stinks! I wonder if PCO will claim it wasn't done by them if your detailer made an attempt to touch up the spot?
Sadly the luxury car, or luxury anything experience is **** poor now on average for items with waiting lists. There is a noticeable difference when you go into a luxury store with product to sell vs. one that doesn't. This was reaffirmed by my recent shopping trips with my wife as she was looking at getting a new handbag. Massively off-putting, just like watches and cars unfortunately.
Sadly the luxury car, or luxury anything experience is **** poor now on average for items with waiting lists. There is a noticeable difference when you go into a luxury store with product to sell vs. one that doesn't. This was reaffirmed by my recent shopping trips with my wife as she was looking at getting a new handbag. Massively off-putting, just like watches and cars unfortunately.
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#34
There wasn’t enough material to wet sand or polish them out as per the best detailer in the gta. We only PPF’d after determining that nothing more could be done without repainting. The PPF does help to hide it and it is much more difficult to see now unless it is in the bright sunlight. Of course, the polishing compound has been cleaned off now
I agree that I am particular about my car, but every person that saw it in real life said that they would not accept it as is. I can’t count how many new cars I have had and none have had issues like this. I’ll also admit that my expectation for a car that cost me $180k is higher than a Hyundai.
My biggest beef is that this wasn’t disclosed to me. I feel that was very shady and not something that I would ever do to my customers.
I agree that I am particular about my car, but every person that saw it in real life said that they would not accept it as is. I can’t count how many new cars I have had and none have had issues like this. I’ll also admit that my expectation for a car that cost me $180k is higher than a Hyundai.
My biggest beef is that this wasn’t disclosed to me. I feel that was very shady and not something that I would ever do to my customers.
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Onami (09-07-2024)
#35
Given how I take care of my cars, I would have probably cancelled the deal. This was a factory issue that I feel should never have left the factory without being addressed. I may have allowed them to fix it as long as I had the option to walk if I didn’t approve of the quality of the repair.
If it was a bumper cover I may have agreed to repair or touch up with a discount. This area is right above the driver’s door, so you see it every time you approach the car. But as I said above, the fact that it wasn’t disclosed bothers me more than the actual marks at this point.
If it was a bumper cover I may have agreed to repair or touch up with a discount. This area is right above the driver’s door, so you see it every time you approach the car. But as I said above, the fact that it wasn’t disclosed bothers me more than the actual marks at this point.
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Onami (09-07-2024)
#39
And that’s my biggest issue. I feel that it wasn’t mentioned because they knew that I wouldn’t accept it. What really pisses me off is that they said, “we know you are particular and inspected the car ourselves to make sure it is perfect”. That caused me to look a little less closely because I thought that they had gone the extra mile for me. However, I will give them that it is difficult to see these bubbles under the showroom lights, so if that is where the sales manager and Porsche specialist looked at it, they might have missed it too. But I do wonder who the detailer told when he couldn’t fix those spots…
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#43
Everybody has their own tolerances. If this is your forever car and will be owning this long-term until the wheels fall off, then I wouldn't push for a buy back as you'll take a hit both in depreciation, time lost and MSRP increase if you were to spec a new one again. Have them blend it out and cover PPF reinstall.
If this is a lease or short term ownership <5 years, buy back or trade for a new one once allocation is secured and new car is delivered. No guarantees new one will be perfect either.
More smiles per mile, over time as the months go by, will likely be less on your mind as life goes on. I know it's easier said than done!
If this is a lease or short term ownership <5 years, buy back or trade for a new one once allocation is secured and new car is delivered. No guarantees new one will be perfect either.
More smiles per mile, over time as the months go by, will likely be less on your mind as life goes on. I know it's easier said than done!
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Onami (09-07-2024)
#44
I’m more upset with how it was handled than I am with the marks on the roof. Gerard at the Refinery did a great job minimizing them, but there is no doubt that this has certainly soured my experience. Up until this morning, they would only offer to spot repair the roof and replace that section of PPF. My painter said that a spot repair in this area will always be visible, however the PPF may minimize this. His advice was to paint the entire panel if I was forced to repaint. That includes the a pillar, quarter panel and rocker panel. However, his advice was to leave it as is.
PCO doesn’t agree with him and they didn’t feel that they owed me anything further for the stress they caused me, goodwill or diminished value. In fact, their sales manager stated that repairing the car would not negatively impact the value of the car. So, how many of you would pay full price for a brand new car that had a damaged area repainted? I suspect no one. I turned PCO’s offer down this morning and told them I was done with them and was escalating this to Porsche Canada. They then called and have now agreed to involve Porsche Canada and come back with an offer to make me happy. I agreed to that. If I like it, I’ll accept it and move on. If it is inadequate, I’ll decline and just move on. Nothing will change what has transpired. A few thousand dollars won’t change my life. So, I don’t know what it will take as this isn’t about money.
Lesson learned…I will never accept a new car again without a complete inspection in proper lighting.
PCO doesn’t agree with him and they didn’t feel that they owed me anything further for the stress they caused me, goodwill or diminished value. In fact, their sales manager stated that repairing the car would not negatively impact the value of the car. So, how many of you would pay full price for a brand new car that had a damaged area repainted? I suspect no one. I turned PCO’s offer down this morning and told them I was done with them and was escalating this to Porsche Canada. They then called and have now agreed to involve Porsche Canada and come back with an offer to make me happy. I agreed to that. If I like it, I’ll accept it and move on. If it is inadequate, I’ll decline and just move on. Nothing will change what has transpired. A few thousand dollars won’t change my life. So, I don’t know what it will take as this isn’t about money.
Lesson learned…I will never accept a new car again without a complete inspection in proper lighting.
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#45
Everybody has their own tolerances. If this is your forever car and will be owning this long-term until the wheels fall off, then I wouldn't push for a buy back as you'll take a hit both in depreciation, time lost and MSRP increase if you were to spec a new one again. Have them blend it out and cover PPF reinstall.
If this is a lease or short term ownership <5 years, buy back or trade for a new one once allocation is secured and new car is delivered. No guarantees new one will be perfect either.
More smiles per mile, over time as the months go by, will likely be less on your mind as life goes on. I know it's easier said than done!
If this is a lease or short term ownership <5 years, buy back or trade for a new one once allocation is secured and new car is delivered. No guarantees new one will be perfect either.
More smiles per mile, over time as the months go by, will likely be less on your mind as life goes on. I know it's easier said than done!
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