21 Spyder
12-28-2022, 01:17 AM
#33
Drifting
Perhaps another data point for you is that I traded my 981 GT4 pristine no story low mileage and well equipped 2016 car with 12k km on it - and my trade value was 10% above list and after tax I got more back in trade credit than I paid for it.
2 weeks ago.
GT4 and Spyders list does not reflect market price - for most of the people who paid “list” as well. They had to jump through hoops to get the car at list.
hopefully that datapoint is useful to you
2 weeks ago.
GT4 and Spyders list does not reflect market price - for most of the people who paid “list” as well. They had to jump through hoops to get the car at list.
hopefully that datapoint is useful to you
02-24-2023, 06:57 PM
#36
02-24-2023, 07:31 PM
#37
Drifting
The GT4 that I traded in sold pretty quickly too by the McLaren dealer I traded it to.
Beautifully spec’d 981 GT4 with 12k km on it. MSRP plus almost 20% it looks like.
I know that sounds nuts, but I paid MSRP plus about 15% for it and I’m sure the person who originally bought it was fleeced on their trade or had to buy some unnecessary car to receive the privilege of buying it new.
There are of course exceptions but the end result is that MSRP for desirable Porsches is not a reliable measure of value - and in supply constrained times it’s probably not a measure of value for even less desirable Porsches.
Even folks who are actually paying MSRP are almost certainly getting hosed in some way via trade value or having to buy another car, at least on the most desirable models. There are however some exceptions, for those lucky few.
Beautifully spec’d 981 GT4 with 12k km on it. MSRP plus almost 20% it looks like.
I know that sounds nuts, but I paid MSRP plus about 15% for it and I’m sure the person who originally bought it was fleeced on their trade or had to buy some unnecessary car to receive the privilege of buying it new.
There are of course exceptions but the end result is that MSRP for desirable Porsches is not a reliable measure of value - and in supply constrained times it’s probably not a measure of value for even less desirable Porsches.
Even folks who are actually paying MSRP are almost certainly getting hosed in some way via trade value or having to buy another car, at least on the most desirable models. There are however some exceptions, for those lucky few.
02-25-2023, 09:54 AM
#38
There are 30 (!!!) 992 GT3s currently for sale at Porsche dealerships in Canada, and the least expensive appears to be about $120k over MSRP. Have heard that Pfaff (among others) does a handshake deal with clients that get an allocation to flip them back soon after delivery. Complete load of BS considering people want one to actually drive/enjoy but I guess money talks. 
02-25-2023, 03:43 PM
#39
The GT4 that I traded in sold pretty quickly too by the McLaren dealer I traded it to.
Beautifully spec’d 981 GT4 with 12k km on it. MSRP plus almost 20% it looks like.
I know that sounds nuts, but I paid MSRP plus about 15% for it and I’m sure the person who originally bought it was fleeced on their trade or had to buy some unnecessary car to receive the privilege of buying it new.
There are of course exceptions but the end result is that MSRP for desirable Porsches is not a reliable measure of value - and in supply constrained times it’s probably not a measure of value for even less desirable Porsches.
Even folks who are actually paying MSRP are almost certainly getting hosed in some way via trade value or having to buy another car, at least on the most desirable models. There are however some exceptions, for those lucky few.
Beautifully spec’d 981 GT4 with 12k km on it. MSRP plus almost 20% it looks like.
I know that sounds nuts, but I paid MSRP plus about 15% for it and I’m sure the person who originally bought it was fleeced on their trade or had to buy some unnecessary car to receive the privilege of buying it new.
There are of course exceptions but the end result is that MSRP for desirable Porsches is not a reliable measure of value - and in supply constrained times it’s probably not a measure of value for even less desirable Porsches.
Even folks who are actually paying MSRP are almost certainly getting hosed in some way via trade value or having to buy another car, at least on the most desirable models. There are however some exceptions, for those lucky few.
02-25-2023, 03:59 PM
#40
Rennlist Member
Geeze Louise those prices are nutty. I paid $115k USD for my 20 Spyder and $158k for my 22 992GTS (MSRP). I got every opinion I wanted on both. I also paid MSRP on my 22 Ford Bronco and 22 Husky FE350. MSRP is the most I ever paid for any vehicle.
And I've never traded a vehicle. I always sell privately for several thousand over what I get as trade in offers. And always do the transactions at the dealer so only pay tax on the delta. I live a hose-free life!
And I've never traded a vehicle. I always sell privately for several thousand over what I get as trade in offers. And always do the transactions at the dealer so only pay tax on the delta. I live a hose-free life!
Last edited by Denny Swift; 02-25-2023 at 04:04 PM.