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Old 12-21-2022, 11:17 AM
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Willing buyers - no particular sympathy from me.

If the car is not available at the price you want, no reason to fret about it. Personally I believe that over time these huge premiums will completely evaporate unless it is something truly exotic or limited...CGT or (say) a 992 Sport Classic will always hold value.

As for the GT cars, I doubt that they will continue to command huge premiums. There are just too many of them.

I think it I sensible to avoid this overheated market right now.

Also, the ICE market will decline as the EVs take hold, so I would say the only people who will make serious money here are the flippers fi they can get out fast.
Old 12-21-2022, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Abe Evrens
I am well aware - I have a home in Europe + do business there for over 25 yrs I know the issues well - too well sadly but this is a Porsche site.
This is a Porsche site but guess what, the special operation is causing disruption on production...

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...rs-2022-03-02/
Old 12-21-2022, 01:00 PM
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The way these dealers operate with their markup and allocations, I'll just continue to be patient and drive my 991.1 S. I'm too poor for them to sell to me
Old 12-21-2022, 01:26 PM
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What's the interest rate on a car loan right now? 7 to 10%? What about a lease rate? What's it cost for the dealer to finance their inventory? Somethings gotta give here.....
Old 12-21-2022, 01:34 PM
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I think Porsche Finance is 7.5% interest right now (I don't remember how many months) but it's brutal. Even a Toyota is somewhere between 5% to 6.5%.
Old 12-21-2022, 01:37 PM
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Ever heard of this. "Finance price 78k. Cash price 85k". I have. GTFO. Lol.
Old 12-21-2022, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by red996
Ever heard of this. "Finance price 78k. Cash price 85k". I have. GTFO. Lol.
I've been shopping for a DD for my wife and this is very common. We want money!!
Old 12-21-2022, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 911 Rod
I've been shopping for a DD for my wife and this is very common. We want money!!
After 3 requests for a Carfax, it's dirty. Or the Carfax is 6 months old? It's like what are you guys hiding. Then if you include your phone number constant phone calls? Very amusing!
Old 12-21-2022, 03:03 PM
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agree on the ICE cars - not worth it anymore ...
Old 12-21-2022, 03:04 PM
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Market prices are what market prices are - but nothing wrong with throwing them a take it or leave it bid. If they leave it then who cares, find another car.

asking prices lag market prices

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Old 12-23-2022, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Abe Evrens
Was in at Downtown Porsche today and came across this 21 Spyder w/ 2500 km nicely optioned. The irony- the MSRP was $141k and selling for $169k (CPO till 26')
Beautiful color etc BUT $169k for a 21 yet again we are told the ole song and dance - its unique / special / limited ed ...blah blah blah....
As for getting a new one or a 911 GTS / GT3 etc ... 2 + years out and "if you qualify". Clearly they took a page out of the Rolex handbook. "If you spend enough
we may let you have one". 25 yrs in Cap Mkts - a good ole recession serves many purposes one of which is to cleanse the system of excess ... clearly supply/demand
out of whack.




That is a nice spec'd out Spyder!!!

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Old 12-23-2022, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by red996
Ever heard of this. "Finance price 78k. Cash price 85k". I have. GTFO. Lol.
Just thinking out loud but couldn't you just Finance or Lease the car for the lower purchase price, then buy it out after the first month and save a bundle? Although now that I think about it Leasing would be a bit problematic since there are transfer fees, safety certificate and ownership change. The financing scenario would be much simpler since the car would already be registered under your name.

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Old 12-23-2022, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 35Mugen
Just thinking out loud but couldn't you just Finance or Lease the car for the lower purchase price, then buy it out after the first month and save a bundle? Although now that I think about it Leasing would be a bit problematic since there are transfer fees, safety certificate and ownership change. The financing scenario would be much simpler since the car would already be registered under your name.
It's just as easy to pay out a lease as a loan. Get the number from Porsche Canada, cut a cheque and it's done. I've done it on two 911s and a Cayman.
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I never explored it further. I just assumed there was a massive buyout penalty. There is a dealership chain around my area that will only sell you a car if you finance. These aren't Porsche dealerships I am talking about here, so reputation isn't exactly great either. But hey I just gotta have it sometimes.....
Old 12-25-2022, 11:39 AM
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They also have two Spyders that will be coming on the market shortly. They are both PTS, one is lime green and the other is a dark green (looks like Brewster).


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