Horrible PPI Experience - MVS Motors
10-23-2019, 12:38 AM
#16
lots of great ones... you already know 'my' 997.1 S without PPI story 
...even after you explicitly try to tell how bad the scenario can be... can't help everyone, and it gets worse... 
...even after you explicitly try to tell how bad the scenario can be... can't help everyone, and it gets worse... Want to hear a good one? A few years ago I did an inspection on a 996.1 for a client of mine who was paying for the PPI. Seller shows up and tells me "while it's up do an oil change" ok no problem!
The 996 was pretty ratty and had a small but noticable ticking from the engine. PPI done, the seller pays for the service with no issues, we even had a good shooting the **** chat. I'm thinking ah the car is bad but the guy seems okay.
My client doesnt up end buying the car. For obvious reasons and I agreed. A couple days latter the seller calls me screaming demanding a refund for the oil change and PPi cost. I asked why I should refund him "you wasted my time the guy didn't buy the car, you never gave me a detailed listed of what the car needed" I told him he didn't pay for the PPI so the inspection list isn't his but I would gladly forward one if you wanted and he should have asked me for it. He's still screaming on the phone about how he went to another place but refused to give me the name of where.. they said the car was in excellent shape. I reply "perfect then you don't need my ppi report and you should have no problem selling it" He hung up the phone
Moral of the story Rusty 13k 996 brings out the best in people
The 996 was pretty ratty and had a small but noticable ticking from the engine. PPI done, the seller pays for the service with no issues, we even had a good shooting the **** chat. I'm thinking ah the car is bad but the guy seems okay.
My client doesnt up end buying the car. For obvious reasons and I agreed. A couple days latter the seller calls me screaming demanding a refund for the oil change and PPi cost. I asked why I should refund him "you wasted my time the guy didn't buy the car, you never gave me a detailed listed of what the car needed" I told him he didn't pay for the PPI so the inspection list isn't his but I would gladly forward one if you wanted and he should have asked me for it. He's still screaming on the phone about how he went to another place but refused to give me the name of where.. they said the car was in excellent shape. I reply "perfect then you don't need my ppi report and you should have no problem selling it" He hung up the phone
Moral of the story Rusty 13k 996 brings out the best in people
10-24-2019, 03:11 PM
#17
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Sports cars 10 years and older. Rate is $140 at DFC, Normally $169.99
It works for me as my office is downtown and they have a shuttle service.
My other option is taking time off work to drive all over the GTA to pay between $108 (MVS rate) to $120 with no guarantee of proper work done.
I mean if an incompetent indy charges one extra hour for a similar job then any per hour savings are down the drain.
10-27-2019, 11:33 AM
#18
Three Wheelin'
$250 for a proper PPI should have been your first clue as a proper PPI including a bore scope is around $700 - $900 with taxes ...sounds like this was a basic inspection and a safety.
Secondly as mentioned above many of the cars issues were obvious to the naked eye which should have been your first clue $$ I have used MVS in the past and found them reputable and had no issue with them . If what you state is correct about the cracked tires etc they may have dropped the ball in this case but all the visual indications should have led you to evaluate if this car $$$ was the right one for you prior to paying for any PPI . You also need to ask what is included in a PPI prior to agreeing regardless of price as normally the labour cost associated with the bore scope adds a couple of hours to the PPI labor costs.
ALSO .... here is what I do when i am seriously interested in buying another sports car .... If the seller states the car will pass an independant PPI and it does I pay the PPI and buy the car if it doesn't the seller pays half of the PPI and we agree prior to negoiate further on the selling price relative to the repairs required .
If for any reason the seller disagrees with the PPI findings or is not willing to negoiate further on the purchase price I walk ... as what happened prior to the car I have now ( my PPI was $875.00) and the PPI showed the car needed the cable from the starter to the battery replaced and bad strut bushings, tie rods, shocks etc to a total cost of $6000 the seller did not agree with the PPI findings and I walked from that deal , The car was not bad by any stretch but it did require work which(I believe he knew the car needed work but was hoping to sell it without doing the work for all the beans) . This way everything is above board and there are no surprises.
In the end you paid $1500 which is a very small amount in our sport as this could have been much much worse ... Consider yourself lucky ...lesson learned now go drive that baby and enjoy it !!
Congrats !!!
Secondly as mentioned above many of the cars issues were obvious to the naked eye which should have been your first clue $$ I have used MVS in the past and found them reputable and had no issue with them . If what you state is correct about the cracked tires etc they may have dropped the ball in this case but all the visual indications should have led you to evaluate if this car $$$ was the right one for you prior to paying for any PPI . You also need to ask what is included in a PPI prior to agreeing regardless of price as normally the labour cost associated with the bore scope adds a couple of hours to the PPI labor costs.
ALSO .... here is what I do when i am seriously interested in buying another sports car .... If the seller states the car will pass an independant PPI and it does I pay the PPI and buy the car if it doesn't the seller pays half of the PPI and we agree prior to negoiate further on the selling price relative to the repairs required .
If for any reason the seller disagrees with the PPI findings or is not willing to negoiate further on the purchase price I walk ... as what happened prior to the car I have now ( my PPI was $875.00) and the PPI showed the car needed the cable from the starter to the battery replaced and bad strut bushings, tie rods, shocks etc to a total cost of $6000 the seller did not agree with the PPI findings and I walked from that deal , The car was not bad by any stretch but it did require work which(I believe he knew the car needed work but was hoping to sell it without doing the work for all the beans) . This way everything is above board and there are no surprises.
In the end you paid $1500 which is a very small amount in our sport as this could have been much much worse ... Consider yourself lucky ...lesson learned now go drive that baby and enjoy it !!
Congrats !!!
Last edited by rileyracing1; 10-27-2019 at 11:53 AM.
10-27-2019, 01:34 PM
#19
Drifting
Did not know that they have a discount rate at DFC for 10 year old cars - thanks
And also didnt know PPI's ran $900 now - yikes
But agree, I would not have agreed to pay even $250 without a DME read out. Thats your 1st line of defense
And also didnt know PPI's ran $900 now - yikes
But agree, I would not have agreed to pay even $250 without a DME read out. Thats your 1st line of defense
10-27-2019, 03:01 PM
#20
Drifting
wrong post.
10-28-2019, 02:11 PM
#23
10-28-2019, 09:11 PM
#25
And what would those 2 to 3 hours entail for said PPI? Certainly not a bore scope or compression/leak down test.
10-29-2019, 10:19 AM
#26
Captain Obvious
Super User
Super User
Once the spark plugs are out, doing those is not that time consuming. Also bore scoring can be checked from removing the sump pan an looking at the bores with a scope. The pan should come off for a PPI anyways. A shop that does PPIs on these cars should have a system to do all this in an efficient manner.
10-29-2019, 01:29 PM
#28
Rennlist Member
Once the spark plugs are out, doing those is not that time consuming. Also bore scoring can be checked from removing the sump pan an looking at the bores with a scope. The pan should come off for a PPI anyways. A shop that does PPIs on these cars should have a system to do all this in an efficient manner.
The best was an F car owner saying "don't even lift my car up on the lift" gtfo!
08-17-2021, 01:21 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
So what did they say when you called and asked them about the items they missed?