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Old 07-04-2018, 05:52 PM
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What about non German makers such as Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Jag, Vette, GT350 and Ferrari? Do they use the same faulty technology Charles?
Old 07-04-2018, 05:59 PM
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Charles, will you see the tell tale signs of bore scoring with a historical set of UOA data?
Old 07-04-2018, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LexVan
Charles, will you see the tell tale signs of bore scoring with a historical set of UOA data?
Yes. You will see an increase in AL and SI content. Normally AL levels should be in the low single digits, same with SI.
Old 07-04-2018, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
What about non German makers such as Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Jag, Vette, GT350 and Ferrari? Do they use the same faulty technology Charles?
I can't answer that for certain. Subaru's have lots of problems with scored bores and blown head gaskets, but again those engines have had iron sleeves up until recently I believe.

I know Toyota has been using all aluminum engines for eons and has the process down pat. They are the leaders in the MMC arena for all-aluminum engines:

http://210.101.116.115/fisita/pdf/A065.pdf

This research paper discussed in great technical details why OEMs have pushed away from iron liners for all aluminum engines. This is a great read if you're into this kind of stuff (like I am):

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

Although old, this article does cover the main processes for blocks used by auto makers:

http://www.wardsauto.com/news-analys...s-strong-ideas

An even older SAE paper from 1995. I have a copy of this one in my library of SAE papers. Basically an engineering preview of the move to all aluminum engines and the benefits, including NSC coatings (nikasil):

http://www.ncccoat.com/pdf/engine-performance.pdf
Old 07-07-2018, 11:32 PM
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No expertise in the area so read all of these except the last one which wouldn't download. Seems the best bet for durability is iron or Nikasil liner, sloppy tolerances and heavy oil?
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Originally Posted by cartwheel
Having witnessed far too many people jazzing cold engines I don't have any surprise that modern tight tolerance engines develop these issues. I used to work with a guy who drove a lexus and he would redline the thing leaving the parking lot at the end of the day regularly. It can't be all operator error but it would only take once...
If there’s one car brand people tend to abuse like this, is has to be Porches. I have to think this type of behavior results in damage. Cold oil can only flow so fast. And flogging while cold still produces outstanding differential temps and pressures. The differential temps is what causes glass to crack and shatter. Like you said, it happens at a specific point in time and temp. And doesn’t have to happen repeatedly - only a few times and damage can be done.
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Here’s another good (long) hartec read:

http://www.hartech.org/images/downlo...0(interim).pdf
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Porsche owners might be bad but I bet Lamborghini owners are worse.
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I was planning on driving my 991.1 C4S year round including the cold Canadian winter, temps -20C or -4F sometimes colder but now reading about this issue is making me think twice.
Car is garaged overnight so will have better temps to start but will sit outside during the day and cold start in the evening when I leave work. Should I be leaving it for only "warm" winter days? Changing oil weight to 0-W40 for winter may make a difference (or not if the cylinder clearance is the big issue?).



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