Driver & Instructor killed at SpeedVegas - Page 2 - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Driver & Instructor killed at SpeedVegas

Reply

Old 02-13-2017, 01:01 PM
  #16
Academictech
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Academictech's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 861
Default

Sad story.

Went there and drove the F 458 Cup.

The short DE virtual training is okay for seasoned drivers used to going fast in high performance cars.

When it came time for the on track session, the pool of drivers included a bunch of partying bachelor/bachelorette Vegas tourists. The instructor I had couldn't have been much older than 20 and couldn't speak English very well. At one point he grabbed the wheel from me to put the car on a lower line on a curve, I saw a stalled car facing the wrong way on the curve that he didn't. Cut the session short, just too much risk for my taste.
Academictech is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:03 PM
  #17
ProCoach
Rennlist Member
Rennlist
Small Business Partner

 
ProCoach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Durham, NC and Virginia International Raceway
Posts: 10,106
Default

More here:

http://www.bobbarnardtrackengineerin...72003/tag/nfpa

Did you know that this fellow was the designer of THIS track?!?!?

http://www.bobbarnardtrackengineering.com/
ProCoach is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:09 PM
  #18
DTMiller
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
DTMiller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: right behind you until the straight
Posts: 2,611
Default

Given there was a fire it's hard with the exceptionally limited amount of information we have to assign blame to the driver, the instructor, the track and the car itself. Which happened first? Did a malfunction of the car cause the accident and the fire or did a driver error cause the accident which caused the fire?

Chances are we will never know. But it is terrible for all involved.
DTMiller is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:26 PM
  #19
Steve113
User
 
Steve113's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Rockland County NY
Posts: 1,222
Default

Horrible tragedy .........I am sure there was a lot that went wrong that attributed to this horrendous tragedy
Steve113 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:31 PM
  #20
bpu699
User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: racine, wisconsin
Posts: 475
Default

Wow... how does a car hit a tire wall (soft) and burst into flames?

Just finished equipping my HPDE with roll bar, seat back braces, 6 point harness, etc... Now I feel like we should all have built in fire suppression too...

At some point, insurance for the track owners is going to get really expensive...
bpu699 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:31 PM
  #21
911Königin
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
911Königin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: In A Fog
Posts: 13,000
Default

Originally Posted by Steve113 View Post
Horrible tragedy .........I am sure there was a lot that went wrong that attributed to this horrendous tragedy
+997
911Königin is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:51 PM
  #22
mhm993
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
mhm993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Schattenbaum/MNY Regions
Posts: 1,900
Default

I instructed at an exotics event once, and that one was very controlled behind a pace car. Even so, I vowed never to repeat the experience.

I assume the instructor was "one of us"--a local club instructor having fun and earning lunch money for his effort. Our hearts break for all involved.

BTW, this is the third exotics experience death, if we include the dopes racing the ferrari's around the meadowlands parking ramps, killing a passing motorcyclist.
mhm993 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 01:58 PM
  #23
Manifold
Super User
 
Manifold's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Close enough to plenty of good tracks
Posts: 3,467
Default

Originally Posted by ProCoach View Post
More here:

http://www.bobbarnardtrackengineerin...72003/tag/nfpa

Did you know that this fellow was the designer of THIS track?!?!?

http://www.bobbarnardtrackengineering.com/
I found that out this morning. He's certainly qualified, so it would be an unfortunate irony if the design of this track was flawed.

It's also possible that the design was fine, but the track safety features weren't built per the design, or the safety features were changed after the initial construction. It's not uncommon for track owners to continue to change safety features, for various reasons.

But to be clear, I have no specific information on the safety, or lack thereof, of this particular track, and my comment was intended to be a general comment.

The aspect of this incident which first jumps out to me is that the car caught on fire. I've seen lots of streets cars crash at tracks, but only a small fraction of them caught on fire.
Manifold is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 02:14 PM
  #24
ExMB
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
ExMB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,736
Default

One name floats around here:

Friends confirm to News 3 the driving instructor killed was 59-year-old Gil Ben Kely. The longtime instructor penned his two-time battle with breast cancer online. Friends describe him as a “fighter” who “really lived.”

Police say they believe the victims died upon impact.


ExMB is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 02:36 PM
  #25
ProCoach
Rennlist Member
Rennlist
Small Business Partner

 
ProCoach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Durham, NC and Virginia International Raceway
Posts: 10,106
Default

Damn...
__________________
-Peter Krause
www.peterkrause.net
"Combining the Art and Science of Driving Fast!"
Professional, Private Driver Performance Analysis
Authorized Sales and Support for AiM, VBOX Video, MoTeC, Race-Keeper and SmartyCam HD
ProCoach is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 03:09 PM
  #26
mark kibort
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
mark kibort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saratoga, ca
Posts: 28,504
Default

Originally Posted by Gofishracing View Post
Exotic car rentals can demand a VERY strong Instructor. Considering the mentality at times and VERY capable machines. RIP.
I agree.. maybe there is a way to have some type of control for the instructor that can help in these situations. maybe only use supercars drive by wire so the instructor can take over with a special control override system.
dangerous situation: guy pays money, wants to get his money's worth, instructor wants to teach and keep driver and car safe. guy thinks he is better than he is and quickly gets over his head before instructor can respond..........bad things happen!
So sad to hear... sadder for families for such a senseless death especially for the instructor. ugggg!
mark kibort is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 03:15 PM
  #27
mark kibort
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
mark kibort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saratoga, ca
Posts: 28,504
Default

Originally Posted by DTMiller View Post
Given there was a fire it's hard with the exceptionally limited amount of information we have to assign blame to the driver, the instructor, the track and the car itself. Which happened first? Did a malfunction of the car cause the accident and the fire or did a driver error cause the accident which caused the fire?

Chances are we will never know. But it is terrible for all involved.
The real chance is that the combination of speed, high powered foreign car, inexperience and the instructor not able to control the car, caused the outcome. after all... thousands of guys run millions of laps with out incidence. You put all the risky things possible in one driving experience and the chances for bad things to happen go through the roof. Ive instructed with fast guys before , in THEIR car, and have had small mistakes make big problems (with no one getting hurt) It's a shot across the bow to bring back the student's speed when I'm (youre) in the car as an instructor, and let them work on 9-10s on their own time. just not worth it, especially at this level. (basically a quick joyride)
mark kibort is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 03:29 PM
  #28
Coochas
Impeccable record
Rennlist Member
 
Coochas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 01776
Posts: 8,727
Default

http://malebreastcancercoalition.org.../gil-ben-kely/

This is an interesting story about the instructor's background and his being a breast cancer survivor. What a shame.
Coochas is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 03:52 PM
  #29
LuigiVampa
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
LuigiVampa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Connecticut Valley Region
Posts: 7,897
Default

I don't know if it would have changed the outcome for this horrible accident but it is also a reminder that once you get out of the green run group you should start looking for a fire suit.

Fire doesn't know it is only a practice session and not a race.

Tragic.
LuigiVampa is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 02-13-2017, 04:03 PM
  #30
ExMB
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
ExMB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,736
Default

Originally Posted by ProCoach View Post
Damn...
Did you know him?
ExMB is offline  
Reply With Quote
 

Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
John D.
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
5
12-17-2017 10:10 PM
Racetwin2
997 Forum
27
09-24-2016 12:19 AM
Fast Doc
991 GT3 GT3RS and 911R
29
06-13-2016 03:49 PM
TomGT3
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
32
05-19-2016 10:38 AM
996_C4S
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
0
02-02-2016 12:18 PM

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:45 AM.


Copyright © 1998 - 2017 Rennlist.com We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: