Rev Matching vs. Double Clutching
#32
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Watching the NASCAR race at Road America last week they had a camera pointed at the feet of one of the experienced road course drivers. He was left foot braking and blipping the throttle to down shift with no attempt to use the clutch at all. I assume this is tough on the gearbox, but is this a common practice in these cars or just the road courses?
#33
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#34
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So, you guys "blip" the throttle...? How is that different then "pressing" the throttle...?
On a downshift, when braking, I try to
1) Depress the clutch
2) heel/toe and press the accelerator down a bit and keep it pressed down
3) Slide into the next gear
4) Release clutch
How/why is "blipping" better?
For those that double clutch, how in the world do you do that quickly? I can do it in casual driving with no issues. But on a track, going into a fast decelerating corner, double clutching with a 930 gearbox takes an eternity... I find myself missing the optimum shift point and often am not done with the shift until way past the apex... WAAYYYY PAST... Or, you have to stop accelerating much sooner, so that doesn't happen.
With a newer fast shifting gear box, sure. With a 915/930 box, how?
On a downshift, when braking, I try to
1) Depress the clutch
2) heel/toe and press the accelerator down a bit and keep it pressed down
3) Slide into the next gear
4) Release clutch
How/why is "blipping" better?
For those that double clutch, how in the world do you do that quickly? I can do it in casual driving with no issues. But on a track, going into a fast decelerating corner, double clutching with a 930 gearbox takes an eternity... I find myself missing the optimum shift point and often am not done with the shift until way past the apex... WAAYYYY PAST... Or, you have to stop accelerating much sooner, so that doesn't happen.
With a newer fast shifting gear box, sure. With a 915/930 box, how?
#35
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what "blippng" does , is get the RPM quickly to just below redline and as it falls there is a point where the layshaft and main shaft find sychronous speed and the resistance to put the car in gear is mimimized, so it slip in. after doing this a while, its a timing event, and you get a feel for it. if you dont "drag" the clutch as I have suggested, then the blp does the same thing for the release fo clutch forces on the tires. in other words ... you want the rpm to be higher vs lower than the synchronous speed. Higher will be less forces on the tires upon release, lower, increases the forces on the release that can possibly upset the car .
double clutching takes too much time, even for someone that is good. however the very best at it, can be pretty darn quick at it as we saw on the old Assie V8supercar video. The more time with the car out of a gear, the worse, in my opinion. Plus, there is no need if you can drag the clutch as i have suggested. (same effect as a double clutch but no loss in time)
attached is a mir mortal doing it very welll in a 928. stilll way too much time in my opinion and too much going on , PLUS there is no need with other techniques to accomplish the same effect.
double clutching takes too much time, even for someone that is good. however the very best at it, can be pretty darn quick at it as we saw on the old Assie V8supercar video. The more time with the car out of a gear, the worse, in my opinion. Plus, there is no need if you can drag the clutch as i have suggested. (same effect as a double clutch but no loss in time)
attached is a mir mortal doing it very welll in a 928. stilll way too much time in my opinion and too much going on , PLUS there is no need with other techniques to accomplish the same effect.
So, you guys "blip" the throttle...? How is that different then "pressing" the throttle...?
On a downshift, when braking, I try to
1) Depress the clutch
2) heel/toe and press the accelerator down a bit and keep it pressed down
3) Slide into the next gear
4) Release clutch
How/why is "blipping" better?
For those that double clutch, how in the world do you do that quickly? I can do it in casual driving with no issues. But on a track, going into a fast decelerating corner, double clutching with a 930 gearbox takes an eternity... I find myself missing the optimum shift point and often am not done with the shift until way past the apex... WAAYYYY PAST... Or, you have to stop accelerating much sooner, so that doesn't happen.
With a newer fast shifting gear box, sure. With a 915/930 box, how?
On a downshift, when braking, I try to
1) Depress the clutch
2) heel/toe and press the accelerator down a bit and keep it pressed down
3) Slide into the next gear
4) Release clutch
How/why is "blipping" better?
For those that double clutch, how in the world do you do that quickly? I can do it in casual driving with no issues. But on a track, going into a fast decelerating corner, double clutching with a 930 gearbox takes an eternity... I find myself missing the optimum shift point and often am not done with the shift until way past the apex... WAAYYYY PAST... Or, you have to stop accelerating much sooner, so that doesn't happen.
With a newer fast shifting gear box, sure. With a 915/930 box, how?
#36
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It can if you drag the clutch a little as i have suggested. harder to do on your car i imagine, but very easy to do on most all street cars. this way, through neutral, you blip, the slight drag on the driveline spins up the layshaft so that engagement is easier and there is little wear on syhcnros