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Heaven forbid they actually Protect against major corporations that put something like, METHANE GAS!, into California's air supply for the past few months. Nah, let's go after the extremely small number of people who have some weird hobby involving driving around a few miles a year.

 

Vote for Bernie and bring more government into our lives

Cant they just concentrate on steroids in baseball and leave us alone

 

Or perhaps they should focus on FIXING THE RIVER THEY THEMSELVES TOTALLY POLLUTED DUE TO THEIR OWN INCREDIBLE INCOMPETENCE?

Fascistic jackwagons...

 

Agree that this warrants concern. But #1, that's a press release, not an article, and by it's nature is a point of view intended to stir up attention to the perceived issue. It has successfully generated actual media attention & articles.

#2 (IN MY OPINION) This ranks in the "they're coming for our guns and banning Christmas" paranoia.

From the Jalopnik article, the huge document has contradictory statements:
Competition engines/equipment: (i) For uncertified engines/equipment that are excluded or exempted as new engines/equipment from any requirements of this chapter because they are to be used solely for competition, you may not use any of them in a manner that is inconsistent with use solely for competition.

Update: And this text, too:

EPA is proposing to add a clarification that the exemption from the tampering prohibition for competition purposes does not apply to heavy-duty highway vehicles. This aligns with the statutory provisions for the racing exemption.

All that being said, if they are legitimately trying to ban the conversion of street cars to race cars, I'll be right there with everyone else holding my sign in the protest line.

 

Apparently, this is what was proposed...

“Certified motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines and their emission control devices must remain in their certified configuration even if they are used solely for competition or if they become non road vehicles or engines”. 80 Fed. Reg. 40138, 40565

 

And where is NASA, NASCAR, PCA, SCCA, and all the other sanctioning bodies on the issue. Add in all the HPDE groups and we should be able to raise a pretty big **** Storm

Peter

 

Unfortunately, you all are correct. The liberal left cannot just leave people alone. You have to govern them to do and think exactly what you do until we're all driving a Prius, $100K Tesla, or even worse, the ugliest car on the market... a BMW i3.

Once we have 3 separate run classes with the aforementioned vehicles, Saturday night BBQs will be banned because of the emission of coal and we'll all have to eat grilled asparagus from an electric George Foreman grill and tofu you brought from home.

But wait, there's more.... guaranteed, the emissions from your tow vehicle give off more carbon in the trip to and from the track than the car you brought to the track so everyone must drive to and from with their race car (yes I already know the hardcore guys do).

 

Very interesting. The EPA rule was proposed last July and specifies that a new engine that will be installed in a vehicle that will be used solely for competition or a new vehicle that will be used solely for competition “may be excluded from the [compliance] requirements ... based on a determination that the vehicle is not a motor vehicle.” The definition of a motor vehicle provides that a vehicle shall be deemed not a motor vehicle if: ... (2) The vehicle lacks features customarily associated with safe and practical street or highway use, such features including, but not being limited to, ... safety features required by state and/or federal law; or (3) The vehicle exhibits features which render its use on a street or highway unsafe, impractical, or highly unlikely....”

It seems to me that the EPA is erecting a more clear wall between competition-only vehicles(which are excluded from the definition of “motor vehicles”) and street or dual use vehicles. I’m not sure that much affects PCA competition—a car with a full cage is not something one would want to drive on the street even if legal to do so and would therefore not come within the definition of “motor vehicle.” The days of driving a race car to the track and back are long over. I can sure see how it will affect the members of SEMA who issued that press release. Remember that SEMA stands for Specialty Equipment Market Association and under the new rule the member manufacturers will probably not be able to simply stamp “For Competition Use Only” on their products that increase air pollution.

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

 

I see it differently. It pretty much kills any spec class (944 spec, spec Miata, Cayman spec Boxster spec etc.) and makes a bigger argument for factory racer (Cup, Caymen GT4 Clubsport). Just because a car has a cage does not preclude it from being driven on the street as that is independent of what the EPA is trying to regulate, which is carbon emissions. It's very similar to what the anti gun lobby has done by chipping away little by little on what they consider acceptable, i.e. the regulation of how many bullets can go into a magazine etc.

 

First they came for the Big Gulp and I said nothing because I don't drink Big Gulps.

Than they came for the cigarettes and I said nothing because I don't smoke.

Than they killed the coal industry but I didn't think much of it because I'm not a coal miner.

Now they are coming for my race car and no one is left to speak out.

Trump 2016 - the only guy who is going to let us keep our guns and race cars!

 

You guys are always welcome to come up for a Big Gulp and race on our Northern Race tracks. I'm sure our local race industry would be happy to have some more American customers.

 

Make sure you vote this year. Enough of the madness coming out of Washington DC.

 

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it sounds like this will very much effect PCA and similar. The factory pro level efforts probably not as they will all comply and promote all that "green" racing nonsense but they will all be under the same emissions rules so no one will have an advantage.

I don't buy that the EPA will accept any exemptions. They see a population of street cars turned into track/race cars they are coming for them.

It will be interesting to see how they enforce it. It will probably have to come down to the State police setting up shop at race tracks since the EPA has no way to police this.

Didn't NJMP have police writing tickets for seat belt violations in track cars with harnesses a few years back?

For us it's going to come down to pre-2018 cars and post-2018 cars.

So Dave has a 2016 Cayman and gets to gut all the emissions stuff. Bob buys a 2018 that would probably be in the same stock class as the 2016 but now has a bit of a disadvantage since he can't monkey with the cats etc.

PCA will have to figure out a BOP.

Or the EPA could leave us the Fk alone.

Am I reading that wrong?

 

Unless they FORCIBLY do emissions testing on every race car in every track in this country, on every single day, this jackbooted fascist asshattery is unenforceable.

And yeah. Elections have consequences..

 

Absolutely. I'm stunned that in the 21st century we have a guy that has had 8 years of screwing things up and the same political party has a "serious" contender that calls himself a "democratic socialist". Where I come from, a "democratic socialist" = communist.

Vote, vote early and as they do in Chicago, vote often.