Michael Stewart, PCA 'racer' hits another car (again!)
10-14-2013, 05:15 PM
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I have to be honest here, I think this thread is pretty crappy. Regardless of the guys driving ability, to post a thread about him, make fun of him, and get everyone to pile on without him knowing and/or responding is lame.
10-14-2013, 05:16 PM
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Said idiot was at Road America in K class and though the only K car running, he was at least 6 seconds off the pace (in my limited experience K and L cars run same lap times where ever I go - I have both K and L and my own lap times are always same at Sebring, VIR, WGI, Road Atlanta, Road America, SP, NJMP).
This tells me he is slow which usually means either really old or really new to all of this or just a bad driver.
This tells me he is slow which usually means either really old or really new to all of this or just a bad driver.
10-14-2013, 05:23 PM
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This just keeps getting sadder.
I can't say I have a problem with the thread. Don't want a thread about your driving, don't hit people. I could care less if he is slow, but the judgement appears weak with this one.
-Mike
10-14-2013, 05:29 PM
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What a minute. So you are saying he did this effectively during a DE??? Were there non-caged "DE" cars out there as well?
This just keeps getting sadder.
I can't say I have a problem with the thread. Don't want a thread about your driving, don't hit people. I could care less if he is slow, but the judgement appears weak with this one.
-Mike
This just keeps getting sadder.
I can't say I have a problem with the thread. Don't want a thread about your driving, don't hit people. I could care less if he is slow, but the judgement appears weak with this one.
-Mike
10-14-2013, 05:31 PM
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What avenues may be open for complaints, valid comments or observations. I thought this guy was an accident waiting to happen the first time I got near him on the track.
What to do? Hell, he was already on a 13, had been to the drivers meeting where the CDI made it very clear that we were to play be DE rules and also made it clear that the track was a bit slick (we all felt that) and yet the cowboy dives into 2 way hot and causes another (expensive) incident.
10-14-2013, 05:49 PM
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He can respond. Hopefully he will before hitting someone else.
10-14-2013, 07:55 PM
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"This tells me he is slow which usually means either really old or really new to all of this or just a bad driver. "
You got two of the three correct dude, but the old part is just plain wrong. How old are you and where do you race because I am old and maybe I should not be racing too.
You got two of the three correct dude, but the old part is just plain wrong. How old are you and where do you race because I am old and maybe I should not be racing too.
10-14-2013, 08:12 PM
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As to slow and old, not everyone finishes first, second or even third! People have different abilities and preparation. So IMO slow isn't/shouldn't be in play. Carless, reckless, and talentless are key points though. As to old, a friend of mine's dad is in his 70s and still runs Summit Point (and other tracks) right ~ the record for his class.
10-14-2013, 08:51 PM
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I was there.
My first thought first session was something along the lines of "what the hell"; turns out I was not alone thinking this. There was another there who caused the same concerns for many I spoke with.
Some say this about me, but I merely toss empty beer cans in their way.
My first thought first session was something along the lines of "what the hell"; turns out I was not alone thinking this. There was another there who caused the same concerns for many I spoke with.
Some say this about me, but I merely toss empty beer cans in their way.
10-14-2013, 09:02 PM
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I think this is a valid point Matt, but it also raises the question at hand.
What avenues may be open for complaints, valid comments or observations. I thought this guy was an accident waiting to happen the first time I got near him on the track.
What to do? Hell, he was already on a 13, had been to the drivers meeting where the CDI made it very clear that we were to play be DE rules and also made it clear that the track was a bit slick (we all felt that) and yet the cowboy dives into 2 way hot and causes another (expensive) incident.
What avenues may be open for complaints, valid comments or observations. I thought this guy was an accident waiting to happen the first time I got near him on the track.
What to do? Hell, he was already on a 13, had been to the drivers meeting where the CDI made it very clear that we were to play be DE rules and also made it clear that the track was a bit slick (we all felt that) and yet the cowboy dives into 2 way hot and causes another (expensive) incident.
10-14-2013, 09:11 PM
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I'm with Matt on this one.
And I can think of at least one person who is a RL regular who has a nightmare reckless reputation at advanced DE events. I took it up with that person and the event organizers and it was dealt with. My point is that I would never air that dirty laundry on RL.
And I can think of at least one person who is a RL regular who has a nightmare reckless reputation at advanced DE events. I took it up with that person and the event organizers and it was dealt with. My point is that I would never air that dirty laundry on RL.
10-14-2013, 09:12 PM
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We could say that about all sorts of things. I'm not defending the guy, but we've all done plenty of dumb stuff and we don't need someone on the internet to point it out to everyone.
Then why don't you man up and call the guy to tell him you jumped on the pile in this thread? He probably doesn't even know the thread exist.
Then why don't you man up and call the guy to tell him you jumped on the pile in this thread? He probably doesn't even know the thread exist.
"Man up"? ROTFL...interesting choice of words...
I don't know him. If I did, i would.
10-14-2013, 10:27 PM
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If you're willing to go after a guy you don't know, at an event(s) you weren't at, then you should be willing to call him and let him know you did it.
10-14-2013, 10:39 PM
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There is a "list", shared among organizations in the US road racing community. It includes vintage and club race sanctioning bodies. I have seen that list. Actually, I have a copy of that current list (no, I won't send you a copy...it's "adults only"). It describes the various asshattery of specific licensed drivers, including suspensions, probations and outright bans. It's fascinating reading.
I'm not quite sure if FIA member organizations are obliged to honor penalities levied by other FIA organizations, like AHL, IHL and OHL's are obliged to honor suspensions from the National Hockey League...but it's sure informative to know who's a basket of idiocy. And...most motorsports sanctioning bodies in the US include language in their event rules and entry forms that state that the event organizers have the right to refuse entries.
Like I said...fascinating reading.
I'm not quite sure if FIA member organizations are obliged to honor penalities levied by other FIA organizations, like AHL, IHL and OHL's are obliged to honor suspensions from the National Hockey League...but it's sure informative to know who's a basket of idiocy. And...most motorsports sanctioning bodies in the US include language in their event rules and entry forms that state that the event organizers have the right to refuse entries.
Like I said...fascinating reading.
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