Blocking vs. defending
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+1! 109 keeps his line at 19:30 (nowhere close to the race line) to keep 415 further off of race line. Thus, camera car takes the advantage.
In my view, 415 doesn't work hard enough to maintain the race line and force 109 to back off going into the corners. Same issue (or just too much peeking in both cases) for 415 as the camera car takes the lead.
More than just commenting on how screwed up this looks, is anybody willing to divulge how they would have played this scenario (19:15 to 19:45) different if they were 109? if they were 415?
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In my view, 415 doesn't work hard enough to maintain the race line and force 109 to back off going into the corners. Same issue (or just too much peeking in both cases) for 415 as the camera car takes the lead.
More than just commenting on how screwed up this looks, is anybody willing to divulge how they would have played this scenario (19:15 to 19:45) different if they were 109? if they were 415?
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Oh, he knew I was there, alright. I was right behind him for 4 consecutive laps, during which time he twice passed other cars in a no passing zone - without having received point by's from those drivers. He had no intention of allowing me to explore the track ahead of him at my own, faster pace. As a PCA instructor, I found his behavior unsafe, not simply discourteous, so I provided this and other video evidence to the CDI - who agreed with my assessment.
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Defending = Your the one doing it
Blocking = Its getting done to you (Sato)
Blocking = Its getting done to you (Sato)
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Oh, he knew I was there, alright. I was right behind him for 4 consecutive laps, during which time he twice passed other cars in a no passing zone - without having received point by's from those drivers. He had no intention of allowing me to explore the track ahead of him at my own, faster pace. As a PCA instructor, I found his behavior unsafe, not simply discourteous, so I provided this and other video evidence to the CDI - who agreed with my assessment.
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Sure. One possible approach: 109 makes the pass in T12, and actually MAKES the pass, tracking out properly. When he moves track left to set up for 13, he should just KNOW that 415 will try to dive bomb him on the inside...so 109 purposely suckers 415 in and takes 13 a bit slow and takes 415 on the over under by being slower in but faster out (and staying on track).
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Battle Royale!!!
Ya...that was me and my buddy Mike dukin" it out for first place after I spun out in turn 19. Not the best "race craft" by either of us. Patience would have been the best approach there for me. When I brought the car down on the entry of turn 13, I thought I had position and could brake check him into the turn to hold position. Oh well, sorry you got caught up in all that Frank. However, it was the most fun I had all weekend!!!
If you want to see someone try and actually run me off the track to hold position, check out the final lap from my World Challenge race last weekend at COTA. Start watching at 38:41": http://www.world-challengetv.com/#/races/653
I'm in the Pontiac Solstice. The Compass 360 Car basically tries to push me off the track to hold P3 while we are drag racing out of T20 to the checker. I still have the tire marks on my right front to prove it! The good news is that it didn't work and I took the podium!
It was a really fun weekend!!
Cheers!
Dan
If you want to see someone try and actually run me off the track to hold position, check out the final lap from my World Challenge race last weekend at COTA. Start watching at 38:41": http://www.world-challengetv.com/#/races/653
I'm in the Pontiac Solstice. The Compass 360 Car basically tries to push me off the track to hold P3 while we are drag racing out of T20 to the checker. I still have the tire marks on my right front to prove it! The good news is that it didn't work and I took the podium!
It was a really fun weekend!!
Cheers!
Dan
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Ya...that was me and my buddy Mike dukin" it out for first place after I spun out in turn 19. Not the best "race craft" by either of us. Patience would have been the best approach there for me. When I brought the car down on the entry of turn 13, I thought I had position and could brake check him into the turn to hold position. Oh well, sorry you got caught up in all that Frank. However, it was the most fun I had all weekend!!!
If you want to see someone try and actually run me off the track to hold position, check out the final lap from my World Challenge race last weekend at COTA. Start watching at 38:41": http://www.world-challengetv.com/#/races/653
I'm in the Pontiac Solstice. The Compass 360 Car basically tries to push me off the track to hold P3 while we are drag racing out of T20 to the checker. I still have the tire marks on my right front to prove it! The good news is that it didn't work and I took the podium!
It was a really fun weekend!!
Cheers!
Dan
If you want to see someone try and actually run me off the track to hold position, check out the final lap from my World Challenge race last weekend at COTA. Start watching at 38:41": http://www.world-challengetv.com/#/races/653
I'm in the Pontiac Solstice. The Compass 360 Car basically tries to push me off the track to hold P3 while we are drag racing out of T20 to the checker. I still have the tire marks on my right front to prove it! The good news is that it didn't work and I took the podium!
It was a really fun weekend!!
Cheers!
Dan
The C360R car was nicer than I would have expected for the last lap of a WC race. Nice run up on that last lap.
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But if you want to talk about what should have happened with this particular driver over the course of the entire session (which was not the point of my original post), you might consider how much track time had already been lost due to incidents, logistical delays, lengthy ingress/egress times caused by the long pit lane and large run groups, and in the DE groups in particular, the length of time spent poking along behind extremely slow cars through the many turns. Yes, if there had been a plethora of track time and lots of open space, yet another trip down pit lane may have been a good choice. But as many other people have complained about in related threads, track time was a big issue and source of frustration for many. And given the emphasis in the preceding drivers' meetings on the lack of point-by's by people like this RS driver, the better soltuion for all would have been for this driver to refrain from passing unspecting slower drivers in the no-passing zones, and allow faster drivers to go by when the opportunity developed.
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Dan, congrats on your WC podium! Did you drive with Michael Pettiford?
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I know both of those guys in the DE video. Here's what happened. 1) The guy in the orange car does not know the guy in the Diasio, so he does not know that it's very difficult to give a point by in that thing. he waited a lot longer to react to a point than he should have. 2) The guy in the RS thinks he is fast, so once he got by the Diasio, his expectation was to put the hammer down and get on with things. I don't think you can always expect to pass someone when you are both following a much slower car. But, since you had been on his a$$ for a few laps, assuming he actually had free track in front of him to unwind, then clearly acting poorly. He's an interesting character.
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Hey Peter,
Yes...I rented Michael's Solstice for the weekend. Loosest rear end I've ever driven. Once I got the hang of it, I had a really fun time driving the car. Too bad our brakes didn't hold up though. We might have had another shot at a podium. Michael and his crew are great! We had a lot of fun.
I was also surprised that the Compass cars could run as hard as they did towards the end of the race. I think that shows you just how friendly the track is to tire wear...or how good the Pirellis held up during the weekend.
Yes...I rented Michael's Solstice for the weekend. Loosest rear end I've ever driven. Once I got the hang of it, I had a really fun time driving the car. Too bad our brakes didn't hold up though. We might have had another shot at a podium. Michael and his crew are great! We had a lot of fun.
I was also surprised that the Compass cars could run as hard as they did towards the end of the race. I think that shows you just how friendly the track is to tire wear...or how good the Pirellis held up during the weekend.