Poll: New Porsche 991/981 Track Cars - How do you rank these?
03-29-2013, 01:05 PM
#31
And it really pisses of the 6 & 7 cup owners when a Cayman out qualifies them or is right on there tails. Its my car worth less than the others? Most certainly, but I have zero desire to sell it so I do not much care.
1:25 at LS? Nope, but I suspect this year we will hit 1:33.
Here is some video from a recent event at Chuckwalla. The 7 cups (and 6 R) ahead all have about 90-100 more HP than my poor mans Porsche, but we hang in there OK (different class). Fortunately the guys in the 6 and 7 cups behind me can't be seen in the video
Cheers,
03-29-2013, 03:06 PM
#32
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Small statistical sample for sure but most I know (all upper run grp guys) have moved more toward limiting exposure (money sense) in their track cars. Many BMWs, SpecBoxes, older 911 platforms. The prior track cars ranged from.2Gt3RSs to Cup Lotuses, and all in between.. So, if you're looking at the 'track market' its something to consider. That said, I dont know if that is a trend or a local anomally...
The mentality is that the nicer more expensive 911 chassis cars are something they don't want to risk on track or depreciate with track miles and abuse. But they will put close to the same money as they spent on the 911 on a Cayman track rat.
However as you said, there are also a lot of people (more) who own the same 911 variants mentioned above whose track rat is an STi, Evo, M3, or if they are racers, Spec Miatas, SPB, or Spec E30.
Personally I think that for shops who want to do build out cars for clients, the next few years are going to be 987.2 Caymans with 3.8 swap and the 981 Cayman customers are going to be a few years off yet. The guys who will buy the new car and immediately track prep it are the outliers and the meat of the bell curve are 2-5 year old used car buyers (2nd owners) who have bought the car after the depreciation hit has occurred.
04-17-2013, 06:04 PM
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Alright people, what's the appropriate market pricing for a base 981 Cayman with 991 front uprights, 991 front 6-piston calipers, Cayman S rear 4-piston calipers, alcantara shift boot, wheel and e-brake? Oh and I almost forgot, a 991 motor at 400/325. This is a car that retails at $63K with low options in the form of seats, 6-speed, NAV and Bose BEFORE the engine swap. Before everyone says $90K, that's the sum of the cost of all of the parts involved. There's zero markup in that. At $96K, will this car sell?!?! My gut tells me that any modified 981, converted Cayman with a 3.8, 4.0 or a V8 will not fetch anything with 6 digits in the asking price unless it was a brand new car from PCNA with a bumber to bumper warranty. Is that what the public says? Feelings won't be hurt. 12 people have emailed/called over the last 2 weeks about this project and I'm trying to be realistic with pricing on what a turn-key car would fetch.
Essentially this a 981 Cayman S with a 3.8 liter 991 engine and 6-piston 991 front calipers. I can't seem to get carbon buckets or an aero kit yet. If I could, I would.
Essentially this a 981 Cayman S with a 3.8 liter 991 engine and 6-piston 991 front calipers. I can't seem to get carbon buckets or an aero kit yet. If I could, I would.
04-18-2013, 03:12 PM
#35
Nordschleife Master
It's not bolt in.
The gearbox/engine mating design puts the starter on the engine side instead of the gearbox side like was used on the air cooled cars and Mezger GT3 and Turbo water pumpers. Bolt pattern is different too. Would require about $4000 of custom adapter plate and flywheel to make it work, whereas a Carrera engine will bolt right up to a Cayman gearbox, PDK or 6spd...
The gearbox/engine mating design puts the starter on the engine side instead of the gearbox side like was used on the air cooled cars and Mezger GT3 and Turbo water pumpers. Bolt pattern is different too. Would require about $4000 of custom adapter plate and flywheel to make it work, whereas a Carrera engine will bolt right up to a Cayman gearbox, PDK or 6spd...
04-18-2013, 07:33 PM
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It's not bolt in.
The gearbox/engine mating design puts the starter on the engine side instead of the gearbox side like was used on the air cooled cars and Mezger GT3 and Turbo water pumpers. Bolt pattern is different too. Would require about $4000 of custom adapter plate and flywheel to make it work, whereas a Carrera engine will bolt right up to a Cayman gearbox, PDK or 6spd...
The gearbox/engine mating design puts the starter on the engine side instead of the gearbox side like was used on the air cooled cars and Mezger GT3 and Turbo water pumpers. Bolt pattern is different too. Would require about $4000 of custom adapter plate and flywheel to make it work, whereas a Carrera engine will bolt right up to a Cayman gearbox, PDK or 6spd...
So does that mean that in theory a Cayman 6speed should bolt up to the new 9A1 GT3 motor?
04-18-2013, 07:55 PM
#38
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Can't go out and buy a 2008 Cayman S and put a 2010 Carrera engine into it.
04-19-2013, 06:35 PM
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Here in my business, I have a number of GT3 and 997Turbo customers who went out and bought brand new Caymans specifically as their disposable track toy. Not all of us are so flush, but I am seeing a decent number of these.
The mentality is that the nicer more expensive 911 chassis cars are something they don't want to risk on track or depreciate with track miles and abuse. But they will put close to the same money as they spent on the 911 on a Cayman track rat.
However as you said, there are also a lot of people (more) who own the same 911 variants mentioned above whose track rat is an STi, Evo, M3, or if they are racers, Spec Miatas, SPB, or Spec E30.
Personally I think that for shops who want to do build out cars for clients, the next few years are going to be 987.2 Caymans with 3.8 swap and the 981 Cayman customers are going to be a few years off yet. The guys who will buy the new car and immediately track prep it are the outliers and the meat of the bell curve are 2-5 year old used car buyers (2nd owners) who have bought the car after the depreciation hit has occurred.
The mentality is that the nicer more expensive 911 chassis cars are something they don't want to risk on track or depreciate with track miles and abuse. But they will put close to the same money as they spent on the 911 on a Cayman track rat.
However as you said, there are also a lot of people (more) who own the same 911 variants mentioned above whose track rat is an STi, Evo, M3, or if they are racers, Spec Miatas, SPB, or Spec E30.
Personally I think that for shops who want to do build out cars for clients, the next few years are going to be 987.2 Caymans with 3.8 swap and the 981 Cayman customers are going to be a few years off yet. The guys who will buy the new car and immediately track prep it are the outliers and the meat of the bell curve are 2-5 year old used car buyers (2nd owners) who have bought the car after the depreciation hit has occurred.
Bingo. +993
