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2013 Grand Prix of Malaysia
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^^this
I lost more than a little respect for Vettel from this move. While Horner said Vettel was wrong, anyone care to bet that Marko and Mate****s will do anything to their Golden Boy? If Vettel really wanted to man up, he'd pull over intentionally next time he leads Webber with a few laps to go.
I lost more than a little respect for Vettel from this move. While Horner said Vettel was wrong, anyone care to bet that Marko and Mate****s will do anything to their Golden Boy? If Vettel really wanted to man up, he'd pull over intentionally next time he leads Webber with a few laps to go.
Remember Vettel is in a contract year and can walk away at the end of the season. Mark is not the future and I believe Vettel calculated this in his decision. Very much Senna/Schumacher like.
What do you think Senna would have said if told to hold position behind Prost?
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bTW, I'm not defending Vettel. I'm more of a team guy, just throwing out what may be going on
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Used to like Webber, even felt bad for him in Turkey. Lost respect for him when he neglected to tell his team about the shoulder injury. Then when he decided to go wheel to wheel with Vettel in Brasil he IMHO earned his azzbag status.
I have no doubt that Vettel could have caught and past Webber with or without team orders to turn down the power. Does anyone really think that Webber didn't turn the power back up when Vettel made it clear he was coming through?
Also agree with comparisons to prior champs. If RB tries to hold Vettel back, he'll be at Ferrari next year where he knows he'll be #1.
I have no doubt that Vettel could have caught and past Webber with or without team orders to turn down the power. Does anyone really think that Webber didn't turn the power back up when Vettel made it clear he was coming through?
Also agree with comparisons to prior champs. If RB tries to hold Vettel back, he'll be at Ferrari next year where he knows he'll be #1.
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For Alonso's retirement, I have to admire Ferrari's risk. Like they did years back at a rainy Monza race, they went with an aggressive strategy and tried to take advantage of a situation. Yes, they were going to have to pit earlier than everybody else. But what if they could get one more lap on the intermediates. The track would be that much dryer that perhaps Alonso could get out on dry tires. That wing looked okay on the back straight, I yelled "stay out" at the TV and Buxton called that too from the pit lane. That the gamble didn't work is "bad luck" as Alonso says.
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Used to like Webber, even felt bad for him in Turkey. Lost respect for him when he neglected to tell his team about the shoulder injury. Then when he decided to go wheel to wheel with Vettel in Brasil he IMHO earned his azzbag status.
I have no doubt that Vettel could have caught and past Webber with or without team orders to turn down the power. Does anyone really think that Webber didn't turn the power back up when Vettel made it clear he was coming through?
Also agree with comparisons to prior champs. If RB tries to hold Vettel back, he'll be at Ferrari next year where he knows he'll be #1.
I have no doubt that Vettel could have caught and past Webber with or without team orders to turn down the power. Does anyone really think that Webber didn't turn the power back up when Vettel made it clear he was coming through?
Also agree with comparisons to prior champs. If RB tries to hold Vettel back, he'll be at Ferrari next year where he knows he'll be #1.
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I don't think anyone is taking Vettel if it means losing Alonso.
I wouldn't even rate Vettel a top three driver. I'll take Hamilton, Alonso and Raikonen all day long. All three are better under pressure and on overtaking, Vettel is not in the same class. Actually, Vettel is like a whinier Alonso without the overtaking ability.
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As to disobeying team orders. I'm not sure I disagree with SV. He's the #1 driver. If he loses the title by a point BECAUSE of team orders it's almost as bad as winning the title because of team orders. I tink this is a great reason to get rid of the consructors title altogether. SV and MW battling it out in those laps was as good as racing is going to get in these aero grip cars.
Last edited by perfectlap; 03-25-2013 at 02:33 PM.
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Vettel may be an employee of Red Bull but he is also looking out for his future, perhaps at another team. As we have seen recently, every point is precious. I am not condoning it, just explaining his motivation. Teams and fans will forgive some bad behavior (unless somebody gets injured) if you win races and Seb does that more than anyone in recent memory.
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I watched this with my son, age 10, and a SV fan. He has raced karts for 3 years and has one Provincial Championship (2012) behind him. He was quite confused by all this and asked 2 questions:
1. If you race, but don’t race to win….Are you a racer??
2. Did this happen years ago and if so, What would Senna do??
Darn’est things kids ask!
Gord.
1. If you race, but don’t race to win….Are you a racer??
2. Did this happen years ago and if so, What would Senna do??
Darn’est things kids ask!
Gord.
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I watched this with my son, age 10, and a SV fan. He has raced karts for 3 years and has one Provincial Championship (2012) behind him. He was quite confused by all this and asked 2 questions:
1. If you race, but don’t race to win….Are you a racer??
2. Did this happen years ago and if so, What would Senna do??
Darn’est things kids ask!
Gord.
1. If you race, but don’t race to win….Are you a racer??
2. Did this happen years ago and if so, What would Senna do??
Darn’est things kids ask!
Gord.
2. McLaren had more confidence in Ayrton's overtaking ability than apparently Redbull has in Vettel's.
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not give him the latest and greatest tweaks for a race, short fuel him so he has to dial the power way back just to finish - or tell him that even if he has plenty so he has to wave Webber by. Screw up the timing in sending him out in Q3 so he ends up a few places down from where he might have been. There are a lot of things they could do that wouldn't hurt the team much but send the message.