SiberianDVM

Well, I just looked at the Carolinas Region DE Tech Inspection form, and it has a new requirement. Under SAFETY: Aftermarket Equipped. it says: Harnesses mounted per PCA Club Race spec. Clip in harnesses must be pinned.

Can someone please clue me in on what this means?

I have a copy of the 2012 PCA Club Racing Rules and I have new G-Force harnesses that I mounted with bolts for the lap belts and clips/eyebolts for the sub and shoulder belts.

What and how do I pin?

Help! First DE of the new year is in 3 weeks, and I thought I had everything ready.

Bill Verburg

This is what they want


additionally no more using aftermarket harnessses beyond 5 yrs

I can track my 911 w/ 37 yr old oe 3 pts that have spent literally thousands of days in the sun but my 6yr old Schroth's that have seen maybe 180 sunny days are a hazard, this is what happens when lawyers write regs

sbelles

Nothing in the rules about pins that I can find.

U4EEAH

Just a simple cotter pin (or tie wire) through the hole in your clips

car_slave

Not a big deal, a little safety wire will do the trick.
This is a snap in fitting on the top.
http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/s...ap-in-brackets

911Königin

You are doing better than I am - eight weeks to go and so much left to do. Wish my grandfather was here to help (mechanic for Eddie Rickenbacker and rode with him).

f1rocks

If you have small hands, it's literally a 5-10 minute job. Get some safety wire, there are holes in the cliips, it makes sure the clip can't roll out of the anchor point.

ApexPerformance

Apex Performance will be at the event at CMP for Carolinas Region. If you have bolt-in belts, you don't need the safety wire. Safety wire is for snap-in belts. We will have safety wire with us and a couple of new belts in case yours are out of date and don't pass tech.

Chaos

Been that way for a while,learned the from tech inspectors also.

StoogeMoe

Who came up with this? Where does it say it in the PCA Club Racing rules? DE isn't racing. Show me where it says to do this in the Schroth documentation.

You can't tell me these things can come unhooked. It takes me 15 minutes to get mine off sometimes, especially the ones under the seats. My car is a dual purpose car. I put the harnesses in for a DE, and take them out after it's over. I'm not going to spend another hour putting in pins/wire for every event. I would refuse. You'd have to convince me that this is a real problem.

Yellow996

It was part of the GTB1 safety inspection at the Sebring race. My car failed and we had to fix it and get back in line. Luckily it was during a practice.

I will say this...without the cotter pin, one side did come loose at NJMP at the end of last year, so it makes sense from a safety standpoint. But, I clearly see it will be a PIA for dual purpose cars.

GuyIncognito

WTF?!?!?!?!?

that's awesome!

Mahler9th

I have been at his since 1987, and cotter pins or some other mechanism for the same purpose has been required everywhere I have driven in DE's and raced. I am surprised that it is a surprise.

Like others, I have had situations where a pin was removed for some reason or another, and then I forgot to put it back in. And I have had the belts unhook, both in AX and on track.

As to regs on belts, as most know various materials are used in DOT street car apps and in SFI/FIA racing apps. There may be differences in life expectancy with respect to exposure to the elements and so on.

Of course it may simply come down to the legal structure of using products in a manner consistent with their labeling.

Since I started, I have never had a problem with belt and helmet dating. Inconvenient and annoying in some instances, but in many areas these requirements have been in place for decades, even for DE.

ApexPerformance

PCA rules for harnesses say - Belts shall be mounted according to these rules and the manufacturer’s specifications

I looked up the Schroth installation instructions and didn't see anywhere in particular that recommends the safety wire; however, Grassroots Motorsports had an article where they interviewed Joe Marko (the owner of HMS and North American Importer of Schroth) and Joe did recommend using safety wire

"Clip from the top

Starting where the lap belts join the car itself, these clip-in-type mounts should always be clipped in from the top. A small piece of safety wire or a clip then needs to pass through the small hole in the safety latch to keep the belt from disconnecting from its eyebolt. "

It's going to depend on how finicky the tech person is at the event. Once you install the safety wire, it's on there til your belts expire and change them out so a simple 5 minute fix can avoid a hassle not passing tech at an event.

swftiii

My car is a dual purpose car too and I remove the harnesses between events as well. I just use a piece of wire that is semi-flexible and they go in and come out very easy. An extra 30 seconds to install and less to remove per per clip.

Don't remember where it was, but have seen it in the PCA CR rulebook before.

-Skip