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Old 01-13-2013, 09:19 PM
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How do you guys point-by on the right hand side?

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Arm out the window and over the roof, pointing to the right.
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I don't think there is 1 organisation in Europe that requires windows down. On the contrary, some I have driven with require windows up, or maximum 1 inch opening to let cool air in.
Well they're obviously all idiots that have no clue. Same with all the Canadian and US organizations that require windows up...

Or maybe both ways have their pluses and minuses and its not so black and white?
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I should try it once with windows down. Never drove 150mph with windows down, should be an interesting experience
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I should try it once with windows down. Never drove 150mph with windows down, should be an interesting experience
Not really all that interesting, just loud.
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I should try it once with windows down. Never drove 150mph with windows down, should be an interesting experience
Just be careful when you stick your head out of the window.
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:49 PM
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Comparing a de event to a pro race series is dopey. Side windows in a sedan based pro series are there for aerodynamic reasons not safety. Now if you just got to win that de event
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In CCW states can't you just shoot the glass out?
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Just be careful when you stick your head out of the window.
now that would be a challenge with a HANS device
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Originally Posted by dgmark
Comparing a de event to a pro race series is dopey. Side windows in a sedan based pro series are there for aerodynamic reasons not safety. Now if you just got to win that de event
Who are you? The Dos Equis, World's Most Interesting man? "If you disagree with him, it means you're wrong..."

So everything pro race series do, is dopey when compared to DE events? You know, Helmet, seatbelts etc.? OK...

What about those organizations that require windows UP?
Oh wait, I think I got it. They're dopey.
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Okay, Flying Finn, why do you think the windows should be up at a DE? List your reasons....

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Originally Posted by Flying Finn
Who are you? The Dos Equis, World's Most Interesting man? "If you disagree with him, it means you're wrong..."

So everything pro race series do, is dopey when compared to DE events? You know, Helmet, seatbelts etc.? OK...

What about those organizations that require windows UP?
Oh wait, I think I got it. They're dopey.
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Why would you WANT windows up in the summer at a DE, unless the car has AC? As an instructor I want them down unless it's raining, period..
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Okay, Flying Finn, why do you think the windows should be up at a DE? List your reasons....

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...I don't really care, nor do I listen ABBA while on track but I wouldn't judge "windows up" principle so harshly either...
FWIW, I drive with my visor closed, even in Florida heat, for the debris reasons mentioned and have always preferred full face helmet with a small opening...
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Look, I'm not trying to argue against windows open, I've done that in rain and had no issue with it (would've preferred to have windows closed but "rules are rules"), just wondering what really is the safest way and certainly not strongly disagreeing with neither position...
Scott,

As I said, I don't have an issue with "windows down" and I certainly don't pretend to know which way is better. That's my point and what I was trying to discuss.
Which way is safer or are there really a meaningful difference?
Since different organizations do it differently, I doubt there are much evidence either way. If there is, it would be great to hear it rather than calling others "dopey".

It just gets a bit old when folks so blatantly judge someone/something being wrong when there really is no clear evidence that would prove one way or the other.
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Originally Posted by Flying Finn
Who are you? The Dos Equis, World's Most Interesting man? "If you disagree with him, it means you're wrong..."

So everything pro race series do, is dopey when compared to DE events? You know, Helmet, seatbelts etc.? OK...

What about those organizations that require windows UP?
Oh wait, I think I got it. They're dopey.
For the most part, the guy who is lambasting people is you. The rest of us are simply stating our opinions about which is better, up or down.

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In my opinion, yes the organisations that require windows up are dopy. Its hot enough in the dam car in the summer. That alone is a saftey issue to me.
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