Some interesting safety info
#31
Three Wheelin'
Thanks for posting such great info. And its a good reminder for folks to spend some time this winter going through all of the gear and their equipment. You can sometimes get surprised by what you find. For example, a few years ago I found some badly chaffed Schroth Hybrid sub belts in my car. They were about 2 years old and chaffed from rubbing on the Recaro seat's rubber grommet.
And of course take a fresh look at things like how your seat is mounted and the condition of the parts. At our last event, I was watching a race video Saturday night on the flat screen TV on the side of the trailer. My friend and I ( a pro racer who runs a well-known shop) noticed the driver was moving around quite a bit in his seat. Without a word we went over to the garages to see how his seat was mounted. We found he had nearly torn through one of the alu upright holes in the rear, and the other was on its way. The next morning, this driver, a well-know PCA exec bought new uprights from our friends at Wine Country motorsports.
Another time a friend found stress cracks in my wing uprights about an hour before my quali session. He had been casually walking by. It helped that he was engineering the Brumos 59 car at the time and was pre-disposed to such casual scrutiny.
So get out there in the shop... maybe with a few friends, and check her out.
And of course take a fresh look at things like how your seat is mounted and the condition of the parts. At our last event, I was watching a race video Saturday night on the flat screen TV on the side of the trailer. My friend and I ( a pro racer who runs a well-known shop) noticed the driver was moving around quite a bit in his seat. Without a word we went over to the garages to see how his seat was mounted. We found he had nearly torn through one of the alu upright holes in the rear, and the other was on its way. The next morning, this driver, a well-know PCA exec bought new uprights from our friends at Wine Country motorsports.
Another time a friend found stress cracks in my wing uprights about an hour before my quali session. He had been casually walking by. It helped that he was engineering the Brumos 59 car at the time and was pre-disposed to such casual scrutiny.
So get out there in the shop... maybe with a few friends, and check her out.
#32
Three Wheelin'
It would have been interesting to hear what these safety experts think about driver's suits. As you all may know, PCA allow you to wear an SFI single layer suit with "fire retardant" underwear with unspecified specs. This suit can be as old as 1984 when the SFI spec was established.
But you cannot wear a brand new FIA 3 layer top-of-the-line 1986 formula 1 quality suit (for example new old stock), with or without underwear.
But you cannot wear a brand new FIA 3 layer top-of-the-line 1986 formula 1 quality suit (for example new old stock), with or without underwear.
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Great info in this thread, thanks!
I am not understanding the steam burns from the gloves? They were already burned from the steam and became worse when she gripped the wheel? I have several pair of gloves, maybe I will start rotating them through the weekend.
Dont a bunch of F1 guys where those 50K Schubert helmets?
I am not understanding the steam burns from the gloves? They were already burned from the steam and became worse when she gripped the wheel? I have several pair of gloves, maybe I will start rotating them through the weekend.
Dont a bunch of F1 guys where those 50K Schubert helmets?
I don't know about the exact F1 helmets, but from what we were told they have to meet FIA 8860. Those helmets perform about 20% better than a Snell helmet and start at around $2500. Interestingly, I heard that the major price increase is becuase of the low volume. If the volume was the same as a Snell helmet, they would only cost around $100 more than the current Snell helmets.
hey Matt! It was nice to meet you at that seminar. Unfortunately my schedule required me to leave before the end
I thought the orthopedist from the Mayo Clinic was really interesting as well. She presented on head injuries in motocross, it was fascinating and terrifying how many people have concussions and don't treat them well, and how frequently they end up in the hospital with other injuries because they lose focus from their previous head injury.
also a lot of helmets (IIRC 75-80%?) were not fitted properly make sure your helmet fits, racers!
I thought the orthopedist from the Mayo Clinic was really interesting as well. She presented on head injuries in motocross, it was fascinating and terrifying how many people have concussions and don't treat them well, and how frequently they end up in the hospital with other injuries because they lose focus from their previous head injury.
also a lot of helmets (IIRC 75-80%?) were not fitted properly make sure your helmet fits, racers!
The concussion data was very interesting. Expecially how many people kept riding when showing obvious signs (nasuea, vomitting, blurry vision, etc) of a problem.
Talking about the head injuries, Dr. Trammell said that the standard care for a major crash is a full body scan (can't remember the real name). The radiation from it is something like 4x what people experienced at Hiroshima. He said you were better off smoking your whole life than having one of those scans! Takeaway - Make sure you're helmet fits.
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Sweat is a big issue in fire. In the film business we use "stunt gel" with mostly carbon X undies and suits for the majority of our intentional burns. The gel is cooled on ice and the main reason is to keep the stunt man that knows he is about to be lit up from sweating. When the sweat is there the steam burns are about to follow. The stunt gel is also sacrificial and helps absorbs the heat. And yes there is nothing like lighting a man or woman on fire no matter how many times you do it.
Anything you can do such as multiple suits, undies or gloves to remove the sweat of the day is a great idea...
Anything you can do such as multiple suits, undies or gloves to remove the sweat of the day is a great idea...
#37
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Just got around to reading this thread, and lots of good info. While I do not PCA race so therefore am not interested in a driving suit, I have had two cockpit fires in fighters when I was flying them and Nomex and good gloves are a must. Also in the military ( at least back in my days) only cotton underwear was allowed again because of the fire hazard.
As for helmets, I'm in the market for a new and lightweight helmet and have narrowed it down to Aria but I will have to look at Stand21 before I buy. Fit is everything. I wore a Protection Inc helmet that I bought when I was flying combat as the Air Force issues ones were fair at best and constantly had "hot spots" which were distracting. I can't say enough about properly fitted good helmets so you are not constantly distracted from the job at hand by an ill fitting helmet. I also want a helmet with a wide eye opening so my vision is not restricted even at the extreme side vision. That too can be distracting. Bottom line is how much do you value your head and body.... the cost of good protective clothing then becomes very reasonable.
Just got around to reading this thread, and lots of good info. While I do not PCA race so therefore am not interested in a driving suit, I have had two cockpit fires in fighters when I was flying them and Nomex and good gloves are a must. Also in the military ( at least back in my days) only cotton underwear was allowed again because of the fire hazard.
As for helmets, I'm in the market for a new and lightweight helmet and have narrowed it down to Aria but I will have to look at Stand21 before I buy. Fit is everything. I wore a Protection Inc helmet that I bought when I was flying combat as the Air Force issues ones were fair at best and constantly had "hot spots" which were distracting. I can't say enough about properly fitted good helmets so you are not constantly distracted from the job at hand by an ill fitting helmet. I also want a helmet with a wide eye opening so my vision is not restricted even at the extreme side vision. That too can be distracting. Bottom line is how much do you value your head and body.... the cost of good protective clothing then becomes very reasonable.
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Another interesting thing that has been covered here before - proper belt installation. We've all seen the Scroth recomendations, but here it is from SFI http://www.sfifoundation.com/SeatbeltGuide06-05-12.pdf
#39
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Matt, was any mention made of cool shirt products with their plastic tubing?
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I fell for S21 SA2005 helmet. thing that clips visor down fell off, seal around visor comes unglued, rubbery stuff on chin strap fractures and strap frays and inside helmet fabric stains and frays from poor sewing of seams. I always wear a headsock too. Now have Simpson CF devil ray SA2010 with totally superior finish but questionable manufacture in china? Some are made there and some are not. Will the new S21's stand up to mild use? Keep us posted on durability!
When the SA2000 helmets came out I went Arai GP-5 and never looked back. I use a GP-5w in my laydown kart now (for downward visibility to see the M4 gauge which neatly fits within the lowest edge of view), and a GP-6rc in my sit up kart and in DE events. Fit and finish is much better than that Stand21. With a proper shell fit, the only thing i have changed are the cheekpads. Like everything in life, I'm sure they have improved, but why bother switching back after such a negative experience?
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Matt, thanks for posting this interesting information.
After doing my helmet research, I decided to go with a Stand 21. I was fitted today for the IVOS Double Duty helmet at the Stand 21 store in Costa Mesa, California. Mathieu Hayaud and his team were incredibly helpful, knowledgeable, friendly, and fantastic to deal with. The customer service they provide really is top notch. I can't recommend the Stand 21 folks enough.
After doing my helmet research, I decided to go with a Stand 21. I was fitted today for the IVOS Double Duty helmet at the Stand 21 store in Costa Mesa, California. Mathieu Hayaud and his team were incredibly helpful, knowledgeable, friendly, and fantastic to deal with. The customer service they provide really is top notch. I can't recommend the Stand 21 folks enough.