Disappointing Attitude from Vettel
06-28-2012, 10:44 PM
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Where I was truly shocked was when the safety car didn't come out when someone's car broke down just around a blind corner. I can't remember who's car it was, but everyone remembers it because the corner workers were pushing the car and the track marshalls were waving "GREEN" flags instead of yellow.
06-28-2012, 11:51 PM
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I think it's fairly clear to all of us had it been Alonso leading 20 secs there would've not been a SC on track but for Seb or RB to whine, especially when it seems very likely they would've DNFs anyway is pointless and quite frankly, stupid.
Unless someone asks (which it might've been in this case), give your opinion but please no whine and bitching.
Wow... Real funny... And so original...
Unless someone asks (which it might've been in this case), give your opinion but please no whine and bitching.
Wow... Real funny... And so original...
06-29-2012, 03:47 AM
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Vettel is young and has a lot on the line. He's right to be a driver and focus on winning first, and be a diplomat second. He can adopt the elder statesman persona when the time comes. That aside, the increased time and heat and slow running could lead to a failure, but it's not what I'd call a realistic cause for complaint or to argue that the engine would not have failed otherwise.
The thing that really irks me is the labeling and suggestion of "bad loser" ... that's the inappropriate behavior in this story. The history of F1 is marred by good drivers that have acted like bad losers -- it's nothing new to the sport, but that's not to say it's welcome. Questioning the consistency of race operations that alter the outcome of a race is not bad sportsmanship.
The objective here should be a call for consistency and appropriate rules, instead of arbitrary decisions that will not be consistent from one incident to the next, let alone one race venue to the next. As for how to word those rules or actually bring about consistency ... that's another question that has dogged F1 in the modern era.
The thing that really irks me is the labeling and suggestion of "bad loser" ... that's the inappropriate behavior in this story. The history of F1 is marred by good drivers that have acted like bad losers -- it's nothing new to the sport, but that's not to say it's welcome. Questioning the consistency of race operations that alter the outcome of a race is not bad sportsmanship.
The objective here should be a call for consistency and appropriate rules, instead of arbitrary decisions that will not be consistent from one incident to the next, let alone one race venue to the next. As for how to word those rules or actually bring about consistency ... that's another question that has dogged F1 in the modern era.
I might be wrong but I thought that was someone else's car?
06-29-2012, 09:32 AM
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I think it's fairly clear to all of us had it been Alonso leading 20 secs there would've not been a SC on track but for Seb or RB to whine, especially when it seems very likely they would've DNFs anyway is pointless and quite frankly, stupid.
Unless someone asks (which it might've been in this case), give your opinion but please no whine and bitching.
Wow... Real funny... And so original...
Unless someone asks (which it might've been in this case), give your opinion but please no whine and bitching.
Wow... Real funny... And so original...
06-29-2012, 10:04 AM
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No it's Vettel's car that was being pushed out of the way while the Marshalls waved the Green Flag. I just watched the video again to confirm it. The Marshall clearly had a brain fart. There were Yellow flags being waved going into the hairpin. It was only this one station exiting the hairpim where Vettel's car was being pushed and the Marshall was waving the Green. Talk about a severe case of being color blind, or just not paying attention to what you are waving in your handing. 
06-29-2012, 10:54 AM
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Not to push the conspiracy thing more than needs be, but I guess if every time someone had a whinge when they were disadvantaged by some deployment of a safety car, or teamate's car or whatever...that they were always wrong, then this would ring true. As we all know though, there have been enough times in F1 of questionable moves, motives, behaviour, rulings etc...to justify people complaining. Surely some of the complainers had every right to cry out for the injustice. Imagine the pressures on these guys. As 'fun' an occupation it might seem from the sidelines (which of course it is!) they live by their results and you don't get a long life at the top unless you can produce. Vettel must be feeling the pressure after such an easy season last year. Clearly the others have caught up and life ain't so rosy. So when he produced a performance as good as any from 2011 to only have it fail like it did, well you can imagine impromptu comments flowing from a young man's mouth. He should/would have won that race by miles.
I might be wrong but I thought that was someone else's car?
I might be wrong but I thought that was someone else's car?
IMO, RBR should just keep their mouth shut and accept the fact that they had a mechanical failure and it wasn't only to Vettels Renault engine that expired. I really believe that the Red Bull car is now sorted out with these new rules and is the car to beat for the rest of the season. RBR was expecting an easy win that didn't happen and frustration set in.
06-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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I am sorry your view is so skewed Fin, makes me wonder why you bother to watch and surprises me how Red Bull has been "allowed" to win 2 years in a row." But I am glad to see that you got my point I do not mean for this to be about Alonso, I mean it to be about Vettel and his professionalism.
06-29-2012, 11:30 AM
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Love to see the passion from Vettel and don't consider it whiney or immature (a la Hamilton last year) especially considering:
1- The caution when Vettel was leading was for comparatively minor debris
2- No caution flag or SC when Vettel's car was stopped on track (with corner workers surrounding it)
Who, other than hardcore Alonso fans, wouldn't be a little frustrated by the officiating?
1- The caution when Vettel was leading was for comparatively minor debris
2- No caution flag or SC when Vettel's car was stopped on track (with corner workers surrounding it)
Who, other than hardcore Alonso fans, wouldn't be a little frustrated by the officiating?
06-29-2012, 12:19 PM
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IMO, RBR should just keep their mouth shut and accept the fact that they had a mechanical failure and it wasn't only to Vettels Renault engine that expired. I really believe that the Red Bull car is now sorted out with these new rules and is the car to beat for the rest of the season. RBR was expecting an easy win that didn't happen and frustration set in.
06-29-2012, 12:22 PM
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RBR will be the car to beat it looks like going forward and Ferrari ahve made it very clear and transparent that they are concerned.
The points lost by Ferrari in Canada due to the ill advised decision to stay out could come back and haunt them.
06-29-2012, 05:17 PM
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I couldn't agree more. It was poor judgement and in a championship that could be decided by a few points, Vettel passing Alonso in Canada might be the difference. They would have to look back at Canada if they lose it in a close battle. Same as the yr they lost WDC to Vettel the 1st time.
06-29-2012, 05:18 PM
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I agree, I am all for emotions. Whats the big deal if Hammy threw his steering or if Vettel said something out of frustration. It is only normal. I think the difference is when you incenuate sabotage or conspiracy.
06-29-2012, 10:30 PM
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I agree with all of your post with the exception of the statement that Vettel is feeling pressure. After winning 2 WDC and WCC in a row, I don't think he has pressure. He's proven he was no fluke or 1 time wonder. Once you win your first one, the pressure seems to come off and everyone knows that to win 3 in a row is nearly impossible.
IMO, RBR should just keep their mouth shut and accept the fact that they had a mechanical failure and it wasn't only to Vettels Renault engine that expired. I really believe that the Red Bull car is now sorted out with these new rules and is the car to beat for the rest of the season. RBR was expecting an easy win that didn't happen and frustration set in.
IMO, RBR should just keep their mouth shut and accept the fact that they had a mechanical failure and it wasn't only to Vettels Renault engine that expired. I really believe that the Red Bull car is now sorted out with these new rules and is the car to beat for the rest of the season. RBR was expecting an easy win that didn't happen and frustration set in.
07-01-2012, 01:56 PM
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I agree on the pressure front as well. I remember when Mika was trying to go for #3. He said, the pressure was too much for him to deal with. That is one of the reasons you hardly get a 3peat WDC winner in F1. Getting 1 is hard enough, getting 2 in a row is very very hard, 3 is nearly impossible and very few have ever done it.
The pressure is definitely there, be it self imposed or not. What is interesting to me is that there is plenty of rumbling that he might join Alonso at Ferrari in 2014. Now more and more sources are reporting the same thing.
Raj
The pressure is definitely there, be it self imposed or not. What is interesting to me is that there is plenty of rumbling that he might join Alonso at Ferrari in 2014. Now more and more sources are reporting the same thing.
Raj