Nanotechnology in engine and gear oils - new company/sponsor intro
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Say again?
A gearbox that would normally be timed out in "X" time period showed no wear in the same "X" time period with your product?? No wear?
Dont't get me wrong, always interested in new technologies/product advancement, but that is a pretty bold statement.
A gearbox that would normally be timed out in "X" time period showed no wear in the same "X" time period with your product?? No wear?
Dont't get me wrong, always interested in new technologies/product advancement, but that is a pretty bold statement.
The feedback said F1 team gave was "looked like a new gearbox," whereas a typical durability test would show a transmission that was worn out. Unfortunately, as you can imagine in the world secrecey that is F1, this was done quite sub rosa. So while we have many testimonials from Rally teams, BTCC, etc. the F1 guys have sponsorship deals that will preclude us from being able to give direct feedback.
So, correct, "no wear" was more of a figurative statement than a literal one. I was trying to communicate the message of a statement said casually, and created some confusion, for which I apologize. But again, the guys free to speak publicly are getting 3-4 times the life out of the gearbox.
This is a PDF of an article about the gear oil from Racetech Magazine from the July, 2009 issue. I can tell you this all I want, but hopefully this will serve as a good, objective resource: http://performanceracingoils.com/PDF...eakthrough.pdf
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We have had one customer in a GT3 who was having issues with gear oil being too slick, so we went with the non-LS stuff for his car. I can't recall the details, but Karl is thinking it might have been that for whatever reason, he had a Quaiffe (i.e. a non-clutch setup), which would not use the LS, regardless.
The reason that the gear oil with LS additive is not recommended for conventional gearboxes (i.e. w/o the differential) with synchros is that the reduced friction from the nano additive combined with the reduced friction from LS modifyers would make the synchros "too" slick. But again, so far we've seen success in a few applications running the LS gear oil in transaxles with clutch-type diffs.
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Nano technology is in our future, it's still new so there will be non believers. There is still many applications waiting to be developed still.
This is one of my faves.
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This is one of my faves.
Click the see it in action part.
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The issue with nanotech is there's no knowing what happens when you toss this stuff out. The particles are so small normal filters can't catch it. Things like carbon nanotubes and monofilament structures act just like asbestos in the lungs and some buckyballs are so small they can pass right through the skin. Most nanotech labs I do are biohazard level containment environments. Amazing stuff that is or soon will be in most everything we use, we are only in the early steps of most applications...
Here are some MSDSs for both the NT oil (http://www.millersoils.co.uk/pdf/safety/7675.pdf) and the non-NT stuff(http://www.millersoils.co.uk/pdf/safety/6253.pdf
Obviously the catch here is "known," versus "unknown." Fortunately, all of the processessing we do nowadays is genearlly more cautious than it had been in the past.
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Sorry I missed this. If it was not clear, we are the distributor, not the manufacturer. The patent question would be most properly directed to Millers Oils. This is my personal opinion, not the Millers positiong - In some other tech situations I've been in, a patent is seen as not a good value, and sometimes detremental, when the product can't be reverse engineered.
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Sorry I missed this. If it was not clear, we are the distributor, not the manufacturer. The patent question would be most properly directed to Millers Oils. This is my personal opinion, not the Millers positiong - In some other tech situations I've been in, a patent is seen as not a good value, and sometimes detremental, when the product can't be reverse engineered.
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It is the version that most people want and use, there are a few exceptions. But if one is running without friction modifiers in his current gear oil, and is happy with it, I'm not going to tell him to change, though with few exceptions, the LS is recommended. But yes, it is what I run in my SP3 car, what Karl runs in his World Challege/GTB1 996, and what one of the Grand Am teams running a FWD applications have all been running.
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It is the version that most people want and use, there are a few exceptions. But if one is running without friction modifiers in his current gear oil, and is happy with it, I'm not going to tell him to change, though with few exceptions, the LS is recommended. But yes, it is what I run in my SP3 car, what Karl runs in his World Challege/GTB1 996, and what one of the Grand Am teams running a FWD applications have all been running.
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So the car will turn. It won't affect breakaway torque, but once it is slipping, it will allow the axles to move at different speeds without chattering or other friction which would want to induce oversteer.
The biggest concern with LS modifyers in a transaxles is not the diff, it is actually the synchros, which need some degree of friction to work.
Of course, if the diff manufacturer says to avoid modifiers, I'd defer to their recommendation, just as I'd defer to the engine manufacturer's/builder's specification for oil voscosity.
The biggest concern with LS modifyers in a transaxles is not the diff, it is actually the synchros, which need some degree of friction to work.
Of course, if the diff manufacturer says to avoid modifiers, I'd defer to their recommendation, just as I'd defer to the engine manufacturer's/builder's specification for oil voscosity.
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Could I ask for you to follow up with the GT3 owner that was having "issues" to help us determine which of the 75w 90's would be best for our cars.
I'm about two events out from needing to change the fluids in my gear box again (currently running Mobil Delvac), the Millers products have me intrigued and I'd like to give them a shot starting with the gerabox in my GT3. However, I don't want whatever I put in there to cause issues with my LSD.
I'm about two events out from needing to change the fluids in my gear box again (currently running Mobil Delvac), the Millers products have me intrigued and I'd like to give them a shot starting with the gerabox in my GT3. However, I don't want whatever I put in there to cause issues with my LSD.
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I have both raced against and been a customer of Karl Poetel. His racing selections have always put him at the head of the pack. When he asked us about becoming a dealer for Miller Oils at the PRI show last Dec , I had little hesitation.
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WE will be switching our 968 racecar motor to Miller plus going to fill up
one of our 924DP racing transaxles with Miller.
Please continue to direct application/technical questions to Mr King.
http://www.apexperformance.net/cartg...t.asp?scat=397
WE will be switching our 968 racecar motor to Miller plus going to fill up
one of our 924DP racing transaxles with Miller.
Please continue to direct application/technical questions to Mr King.
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