PCA club race blocking?
05-07-2012, 06:13 PM
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had to track this down and see what came of it.
http://mazdaracers.com/topic/2157-ha...__kent__st__40
offending driver apologized...the fact that it happened in TX makes me think he got awfully lucky the other driver accepted his apology.
http://mazdaracers.com/topic/2157-ha...__kent__st__40
offending driver apologized...the fact that it happened in TX makes me think he got awfully lucky the other driver accepted his apology.
05-07-2012, 06:29 PM
#227
If that happened by accident, the offending driver should not be on the track since he has no idea what his car is doing or how to control it.
Scott
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05-07-2012, 06:29 PM
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05-14-2012, 11:18 PM
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05-14-2012, 11:21 PM
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05-14-2012, 11:35 PM
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The issues I see with the SCCA are there vehement hatred of 911's and a rule book that reads like something the Taliban wrote.
05-14-2012, 11:42 PM
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Hitting is legal there.
05-15-2012, 01:43 AM
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The SM video does look criminal. I can't imagine withdrawing a protest on that.
05-15-2012, 07:21 PM
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No I am not kidding, and no, hitting is NOT legal.
1. Whenever there is an on track infraction, such as in this video, it is addressed after the race is over unless it is a safety concern. They understand that for better or for worse, we spend a lot of effort and money to make it to the track and if you are accused of anything you should have your day in court. You have the right to defend your actions, and you are not prevented from continuing to race because somebody thinks you are blocking or whatever. It is settled after the race.
2. There is a formal protest procedure and it works. You have to put your money where your mouth is, and protests are normal lodged by the drivers and not the stewards. You need evidence to back up your claim. Ever try to file protest in pca? Good luck.
3. They always go back to the rule book. It is the basis for everything. In pca the rule book is nice because it fits in your back pocket, but it leaves so much up to interpretation. I have seen many situations in pca where the steward doesn't know what to do. For example, a friend and I had a small contact. Instead of making a call, he says " you guys discuss it and decide who is guilty. If you can't, i'll give you both a 13/13 ". So, my friend went to NASA and I went to SCCA. After 8 years of pca bs I was done.
The problem with 911s is that there is not a good way to fit them in Improved Touring. You need to run in production or GT, Both big bucks racing. Making the statement that 911s are not treated well is unfair. I run a 944 and was told that all Porsches are treated unfairly. But I have done very well, without the bull. And yes I have won a race. If I could keep a motor together I would have won more.
Sorry if you don't like my opinion but if you don't understand SCCA please consider the above. It is a very professional club.
Timo
1. Whenever there is an on track infraction, such as in this video, it is addressed after the race is over unless it is a safety concern. They understand that for better or for worse, we spend a lot of effort and money to make it to the track and if you are accused of anything you should have your day in court. You have the right to defend your actions, and you are not prevented from continuing to race because somebody thinks you are blocking or whatever. It is settled after the race.
2. There is a formal protest procedure and it works. You have to put your money where your mouth is, and protests are normal lodged by the drivers and not the stewards. You need evidence to back up your claim. Ever try to file protest in pca? Good luck.
3. They always go back to the rule book. It is the basis for everything. In pca the rule book is nice because it fits in your back pocket, but it leaves so much up to interpretation. I have seen many situations in pca where the steward doesn't know what to do. For example, a friend and I had a small contact. Instead of making a call, he says " you guys discuss it and decide who is guilty. If you can't, i'll give you both a 13/13 ". So, my friend went to NASA and I went to SCCA. After 8 years of pca bs I was done.
The problem with 911s is that there is not a good way to fit them in Improved Touring. You need to run in production or GT, Both big bucks racing. Making the statement that 911s are not treated well is unfair. I run a 944 and was told that all Porsches are treated unfairly. But I have done very well, without the bull. And yes I have won a race. If I could keep a motor together I would have won more.
Sorry if you don't like my opinion but if you don't understand SCCA please consider the above. It is a very professional club.
Timo
05-15-2012, 10:47 PM
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If think PCA racers are good people and want to race with friends, club members and other Porsche owners. This is not that different from other groups. But, it seems like the management is trying to hold onto thoughts and ideas that are not consistent with what the racers intend. Just read the defininition of blocking compared to the other groups and it's clear there is a lot of words to make a simple concept very ambiguous. It seems like there is a lot of this in the rules.
05-15-2012, 11:50 PM
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If think PCA racers are good people and want to race with friends, club members and other Porsche owners. This is not that different from other groups. But, it seems like the management is trying to hold onto thoughts and ideas that are not consistent with what the racers intend. Just read the defininition of blocking compared to the other groups and it's clear there is a lot of words to make a simple concept very ambiguous. It seems like there is a lot of this in the rules.
05-16-2012, 08:44 AM
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Here's a problem. I can't find any mention of blocking in the rules. I also can't find where it says that the person ahead at turn in "owns" the corner. This blocking thing seems to be a new fangled definition that someone came up with and decided to enforce. But it's not in the rule book. Are we supposed to carry all the issues of Club Racing News with us as supplements to the rule book? Is there something I'm missing?
