ngoldrich

I know you did not ask this question -

However it normally is much more cost effective to buy a fully developed and built car that is already highly competative.

I am guessing you probably already thought of this, but at the risk of sounding redundant and silly, thought I would mention it.

Either way I know you will have a ton of fun!

Ritter v4.0

Assuming you are on slicks, in the SE in GTS4 you'd be running against "baby cup" cars like mine and some other pretty quick cars like a converted GT3 (non-Cup car), or fully done M3 and 944 turbo. All are running some fairly wide rubber- wider than a non-flared 964 could get close to as I recall ( I think my fronts are your rears).

That being said you could afford to lose some more weight ( = $$) or find some more whp (= $$). Pick yer poison.

Ditto the buy one instead of build one comment ^^. You'll have the same advice for others a year or two from now after you've ignored it here and now ; )

flatsics

My advice is to set your car up for PCA H class. The mods you have are desirable parts and easy to sell.
Setting up a RSA to be competitive as an H prepared car is a fairly straight forward process.

J Smith

Tough to win in GTS taking the slicks penalty. I'd say it's impossible in GTS3, a little closer in GTS4. Most NASA races are short, so A6's work very well.

Already been said above: the easy part in GTS is getting to the limit of power:weight for your class. The hard part is getting the car developed and fast from a suspension/aero point of view.

I have nothing to add in terms of PCA classing.

bobt993

Actually what I am saying is a GTS3 car is difficult to run in PCA GT4S because your going against cars with 340whp and even more. Nasa GTS4 fits better with the PCA GT4S class. You could go backwards as suggested to stock class, but you would have a ton of fun in GTS3 NASA by adding the aero along with a wider track. Once you build a GT engine for PCA your going to bump yourself out of NASA GTS3 right into GTS4.

bobt993

don't listen to Josh since he knows nothing. BTW congrats on the National Title and thanks for breaking my track record at Summit.

J Smith

haha! thanks man.

It's getting harder and harder to build a crossover car these days (for PCA or BMWCCA). Easiest way is to have more than one tune for the car. Detuning works awesome in GTS if you can keep your torque numbers up.

ukrbmw

I thought your car was in GTS3?

Nobody has really maxed out GTS4 in SE or MA, except Randy and his M3, not sure about other regions. Track records are 3-4 seconds off ST2 pace which is basically the same power to weight and unlimited mods. Heck, most of the time Josh is turning the same lap times in GTS3 as front runners in GTS4. I think right now Randy Mueller's M3 is the most developed, he turned 1:30.8 at RA and I'm sure it's good for 2:01 or so at VIR. Tough to see a narrow body 911 turning those times, but I guess not impossible.

Ritter v4.0

With an intake restrictor and all steel i was borderline. Now sans restrictor and about 30 more whp and 170 lbs less weight i am firmly GTS4 and could still lose like another 100 lbs or so. This could get into a real NASA classification discussion but as youve seen the classes are very broad. Play with the numbers BEFORE you start making changes.

ukrbmw

Gotcha

Sorry, didn't mean to start a classing conversation. Plus, it all depends on how competitive your region is and if you are "really" after a win or just enjoy running. Racing is fun, winning is a bit more fun

kcpaz

This is only true if you don't use a containment/halo seat.

ninjabones

I had fun running in PCA GT4S this season (stock 3.6l engine putting out 270 hp), and even managed to podium in 5 races; however, I was nowhere near the front-runners in terms of lap times (typically 1-2 seconds off Yonker's and Healey's pace depending on the tracks). Pretty much only managed to grab the last spot on the podium on each occasion due to attrition and luck (but then again there is something to be said for having a reliable car). It is true that there are out-of-class cars to run with on most occasions (particularly the GTB-1, GTB-2, I, J, and K cars for me), but this season it seamed that GT4S was usually at the bottom of the split, and I found myself running alone too often (boring).

For me, it's definitely more fun to be running in a large group of extremely closely matched in-class cars. Hands down, NASA GTS3 in MidAtlantic was the place to go for that type of juice (and you can win tires). Unfortunately, I didn't plan well this year and only managed to run one race with them. (BTW, I have to thank Josh and Bob for not showing up to the Spring Showdown and allowing me to take home set of hoo-hoos for my win). So Josh, can you post your schedule for next season so I can plan accordingly?

KaiB

Glen, I've followed your car - and many others this year. Thanks all for the advice.

As all of ya'll know, it's gut check time - and the pocket plays a role here also. I close my season this year in search of one more DE trophy next weekend and will then strip the car and prep her for the trip out to Oregon where nobody yet knows what will be done.

I think we could certainly play at a regional level in GTS-3, and as Glen suggests, the racing can be fun (perhaps not class competetive) in GT4s. My observations tell me that so very much is driver skill related that this is the direction we should follow.

We'll tweak the engine this winter within reason for GTS-3 ratio hp/weight, with an eye on lowest weight possible and about 260 WHP - might do a wide body if I can afford to do it right and do up the best suspension Gamroth can do for me (this was happening anyway)...and then go play rookie next year.

Unless someone wants to trade a great race car for what could possibly be the best dual-purpose 964 in the country......

doh!!!!

Olcha911

It would be much less expensive to take the car back to PCA H-prepared class than what you have described. If you run H, you can race with G-H-I cars at smaller tracks, and run in fields of 6-8 H competitors at the large major PCA races. Then after a year of that under your belt for a lot less money, you can decide if you want to stay in H or build/buy a new race car.

You will get crushed in GT, whether it's NASA or PCA without spending tons of money. Might as well just buy a 6-cup and test your skills in a SPEC class.

-Keith Olcha

mglobe

^^^ This ^^^ ...or sell your car and buy Watkins' RSA. Get in it, turn the key, and go racing.