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Old 09-07-2011, 12:18 PM
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Default Near miss with safety car at start of Baltimore Grand Prix

“If that truck would have been another second behind," Graham Rahal told SPEED.com, "I’d have been underneath him and I’d probably be dead.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=sHuIb2e5Nh0

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Old 09-07-2011, 12:27 PM
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WOW. WTF?????? Chief Steward & Starter need to find another job.
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^^+1

wow. How did that happen???
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Holy Crap! pretty amateurish. Which, I thought, the whole event was, including the TV coverage.
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Yep watched that on tv... Didn't know what to think
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The truck was going counter-race, and they started the event? Someone missed the boat on that one.
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Originally Posted by early_grayce
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wow. How did that happen???
Having worked with them - I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened until now. I nearly saw the same thing happen on the back straight of the Glen last year - twice. The IRL traveling safety team has 'underimpressed' on many occasions.
Old 09-07-2011, 02:56 PM
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Definitely could have been bad ... someone messed up.

Speaking of dangerous Safety Cars, this incident is only a couple of years old:

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Having worked with them - I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened until now. I nearly saw the same thing happen on the back straight of the Glen last year - twice. The IRL traveling safety team has 'underimpressed' on many occasions.
IMO it's not the safety team which is ultimately at fauult (although that they'd be running counter race when the field is about to take the start is utterly retarded). it's race control that should have seen this and dealt with it.
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A pickup truck against an IRL car? Jayzus. Probably due to too many cooks in the kitchen.
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
IMO it's not the safety team which is ultimately at fauult (although that they'd be running counter race when the field is about to take the start is utterly retarded). it's race control that should have seen this and dealt with it.
Race control can only work with the information (or lack there-of) given to them . I must be mindful of my words here, but I can say that before a course goes hot race control will ALWAYS ask for an all-clear from each corner (basically a slew of "station 1 clear", "station 2 clear", etc). Doesn't matter if it's an F1 GP or a PCA HPDE - they ask it every time. Once you give that all clear - you best make sure you STAY clear, as your corner is officially hot, even if the green hasn't flown yet. If you need to enter the track after that call, you need to go through the normal procedure to enter a hot track.

However, let's just say that the unibody nature of a certain Honda truck must create a little Faraday cage, because it seems that radios don't work very well from inside them. Some calls don't seem to make it in, and many calls don't seem to make it out.
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This one is classic, too, but I also remember a driver out of his F1 car getting hit once.....

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Originally Posted by Scootin159
Race control can only work with the information (or lack there-of) given to them . I must be mindful of my words here, but I can say that before a course goes hot race control will ALWAYS ask for an all-clear from each corner (basically a slew of "station 1 clear", "station 2 clear", etc). Doesn't matter if it's an F1 GP or a PCA HPDE - they ask it every time. Once you give that all clear - you best make sure you STAY clear, as your corner is officially hot, even if the green hasn't flown yet. If you need to enter the track after that call, you need to go through the normal procedure to enter a hot track.

However, let's just say that the unibody nature of a certain Honda truck must create a little Faraday cage, because it seems that radios don't work very well from inside them. Some calls don't seem to make it in, and many calls don't seem to make it out.
IRL race control uses dozens & dozens of cameras all over th ecourse. In fact,k the TV coverage of the race showed the room race control was in. So that is no excuse: regardless of what was said on the radio, the closed circuit TV feeds would have showed race control that there was a pickup truck driving coounter race at start/finish.

Duh.
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Originally Posted by Scootin159
Having worked with them - I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened until now. I nearly saw the same thing happen on the back straight of the Glen last year - twice. The IRL traveling safety team has 'underimpressed' on many occasions.
Interesting, and every friggin' race you hear the announcers praising them how they are "the best in the World" for at least 10 times...

That really was a close call... Damn, real screw up. And even the other truck (that backed into it's position) wasn't that far.

The Heidfeld incident is classic indeed!
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Yikes that looks ugly.

People make mistakes.

Hopefully no one gets hurt and there isn't any property damage. And hopefully policies, practices and procedures are updated and/or rehearsed accordingly.

People hit safety vehicles on track and off track. I have been at events where this has occurred.

Race control- to-track communications can sometimes be compromised and/or misunderstood or misinterpreted. Like tow truck drivers driving counter-course despite being told to drive in the normal direction.

Drivers miss flags. Flag workers make mistakes (like the waving green in the Heidfeld video-- looks like an error perhaps). Or flag workers wearing red sweatshirts or carrying red umbrellas...

This could have been really ugly.


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