Performance Friction race pads (mid-engine application)
06-21-2011, 12:52 PM
#16
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Putting the 06 in the rear will not help in getting more rear bias. The 06 is more of an endurance pad when comparing it to the 01. To get this the initial bite of the 06 is slightly less than the 01 but after this they are about the same for braking force.
This is why everyone in this thread says the PFC06 pads have less bite than a Pagid Black or other compared brake pads. The initial bit of the 06 is not aggressive. What the PFC06 does well is to come on smoothly, as the heat builds it keeps gripping, and then it releases smoothly. The stopping power of the PFC06 is very similar to the PFC01. The difference here is the 06 will last longer than the 01s and they are not as hard on rotors as the 01s (which are not hard on rotors either). Other pads I have used on different cars that have big initial bite tend to fade as more heat is applied to them. So they grip awesome as soon as you hit the pedal and then towards the end of the brake zone they almost give up the grip which leaves you as a driver feeling like you have to back up your brakezone a little bit to buy some room for error. The PFCs stay the same throughout the brake zone giving you the confidence to set your brake mark as deep as you feel comfortable with. The next part that is important is the release. If the release of the rotor from the pad is aggressive it will transfer to the suspension and the tires. Just like making small smooth movements with the steering wheel you want the same for your brakes. At the release where you are about to ask the car to turn in it is important to have the same technique applied.
This is why everyone in this thread says the PFC06 pads have less bite than a Pagid Black or other compared brake pads. The initial bit of the 06 is not aggressive. What the PFC06 does well is to come on smoothly, as the heat builds it keeps gripping, and then it releases smoothly. The stopping power of the PFC06 is very similar to the PFC01. The difference here is the 06 will last longer than the 01s and they are not as hard on rotors as the 01s (which are not hard on rotors either). Other pads I have used on different cars that have big initial bite tend to fade as more heat is applied to them. So they grip awesome as soon as you hit the pedal and then towards the end of the brake zone they almost give up the grip which leaves you as a driver feeling like you have to back up your brakezone a little bit to buy some room for error. The PFCs stay the same throughout the brake zone giving you the confidence to set your brake mark as deep as you feel comfortable with. The next part that is important is the release. If the release of the rotor from the pad is aggressive it will transfer to the suspension and the tires. Just like making small smooth movements with the steering wheel you want the same for your brakes. At the release where you are about to ask the car to turn in it is important to have the same technique applied.
Last edited by Seth Thomas; 06-21-2011 at 01:37 PM.
06-21-2011, 01:24 PM
#18
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Excellent points, Seth. One other thing to consider, Michael: in many ways, the 06 may be better suited to SPB braking because its slightly more gradual "grab" encourages the car to squat on all fours under braking, rather than dive to the front. This gives a bettter balanced, more planted corner entry. The challenge you may have trying to add bias to the rear in that car is that trail braking may become a lot more dodgy...
06-21-2011, 01:27 PM
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06-21-2011, 01:33 PM
#20
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Yup. So, to Seth's points about the characteristics of the 06's, they really encourage the car to squat and then have a graceful release, which does (IMO) help trail braking & enables the car to work better in the corners. If you absoluutely MUST add more rear bite anyway, try the 06 front, 01 rear. They are really close as Seth says, but not way different like putting Blacks in the rear would be. JMHO...
06-21-2011, 01:45 PM
#21
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Michael, I wouldn't do the 06 front and black rear for the reason you stated above. You said the rear with the blacks gave you a "...a lose of trail braking confidence." Mixing this compound with the PFC will give you the same results. The Blacks on the rear are too much for the brakes and your driving style. I am not a big proponent of mixing brands of brakes on a car. The compounds tend to be way different in characteristics of from initial bite, to grip in the meat of the brake zone, to release. I always run a PFC pad of some sort both front and rear for this reason.
So try a PFC 06 front and a PFC 01 rear if you are looking for a little bit more rear bias in the car.
So try a PFC 06 front and a PFC 01 rear if you are looking for a little bit more rear bias in the car.
06-21-2011, 02:03 PM
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06-21-2011, 06:34 PM
#25
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FYI - PFC will make anything in batches of 10.
If enough people tell Mark at OG Racing (Carrera51 on RL) that they want them then I am sure he can get them done by PFC and then sell to all the individuals as needed.
If enough people tell Mark at OG Racing (Carrera51 on RL) that they want them then I am sure he can get them done by PFC and then sell to all the individuals as needed.
Last edited by onefastviking; 06-21-2011 at 08:29 PM.
06-21-2011, 07:43 PM
#26
If someone wanted to start up a group buy for this I would be interested
06-21-2011, 11:39 PM
#29
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Guys:
Due to popular demand we will be special ordering a large batch of PF 0738 in the 01 Compound. Give us a call if you have any questions.
Due to popular demand we will be special ordering a large batch of PF 0738 in the 01 Compound. Give us a call if you have any questions.
06-22-2011, 02:23 AM
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