Porsche Cup Car Driving Experience
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I drive a slow(by comparison) BMW well, I'm sure if I hopped in a cup car I would be on pace quickly.
To my point, regardless of car, a good or bad driver in a cup, boxster, or miata is still at the same skill level.
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I have driven both stock class torsion bar 911s and cups a lot, and you really need to be a lot more careful in a cup (especially 997) as they can bite you before you know it. everything happens a lot quicker and faster.
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And then to add more confusion, I started co driving with a guy in a 993 Cup and going from the stiff RSR to the relatively soft Cup it took me 2 test sessions to get re-acclimated to a softer car, I thought the back end was going to roll over it was so soft. Then I got used to it and started going.
Now I've gone back to my D stock 73 S and things are SO MUCH S L O W E R and softer. T1 to T3 at Road Atlanta takes forever not to mention how long the back straight is. I did best my personal best by 4.5 seconds there though compared to 5 years ago, so I guess going from a faster car to a slower car does help.
But going from a 'slow' car to a 'fast' car takes time for things to set in.
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I think the challenge is that it is IMO impossible for any race sanctioning body, especially at the amateur level, to issue licenses by car type. So there is no choice but to allow 914 drivers or 912E drivers with a valid license to show up with a lot more car next race when their oil well comes in.
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Disagree. I went from driving a D class 73 S for 4 years to a 993 RSR with 1700/2000# springs and not only is Mike correct in saying that things happen faster, they happen WAY faster. The speed of the transitions, the braking, the walls approaching you, all changes exponentially. The stiffness of the car is what's so unexpected and how it reacts to the tiniest of inputs. I could turn my 73 wheel 45 degrees quickly and the car would slowly make the turn just waiting for the suspension to slowly roll into place, if I were to to turn the GT car wheel 45 degrees quickly, I'm spinning. It took me a day to get any where near up to speed and in the year that I raced it, I never got close to the potential of the car.
And then to add more confusion, I started co driving with a guy in a 993 Cup and going from the stiff RSR to the relatively soft Cup it took me 2 test sessions to get re-acclimated to a softer car, I thought the back end was going to roll over it was so soft. Then I got used to it and started going.
Now I've gone back to my D stock 73 S and things are SO MUCH S L O W E R and softer. T1 to T3 at Road Atlanta takes forever not to mention how long the back straight is. I did best my personal best by 4.5 seconds there though compared to 5 years ago, so I guess going from a faster car to a slower car does help.
But going from a 'slow' car to a 'fast' car takes time for things to set in.
And then to add more confusion, I started co driving with a guy in a 993 Cup and going from the stiff RSR to the relatively soft Cup it took me 2 test sessions to get re-acclimated to a softer car, I thought the back end was going to roll over it was so soft. Then I got used to it and started going.
Now I've gone back to my D stock 73 S and things are SO MUCH S L O W E R and softer. T1 to T3 at Road Atlanta takes forever not to mention how long the back straight is. I did best my personal best by 4.5 seconds there though compared to 5 years ago, so I guess going from a faster car to a slower car does help.
But going from a 'slow' car to a 'fast' car takes time for things to set in.
How would you rate your skill level coming into owning the 993 RSR? Of course things are going to happen quicker, the car is a much better chassis than a 73 and the power to weight difference is significant.
My thought is, a good driver(national level winning club racer) should be able to drive any platform quickly. Be it a spec miata or 997 cup.
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A Cup car is still a car, no different than any other race car. I guess I don't get why people make a big deal out of cup cars. Their dynamics are similar to any other car, the rear engine dynamic making more of a difference than being a cup car.
How would you rate your skill level coming into owning the 993 RSR? Of course things are going to happen quicker, the car is a much better chassis than a 73 and the power to weight difference is significant.
My thought is, a good driver(national level winning club racer) should be able to drive any platform quickly. Be it a spec miata or 997 cup.
How would you rate your skill level coming into owning the 993 RSR? Of course things are going to happen quicker, the car is a much better chassis than a 73 and the power to weight difference is significant.
My thought is, a good driver(national level winning club racer) should be able to drive any platform quickly. Be it a spec miata or 997 cup.
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A Cup car is still a car, no different than any other race car. I guess I don't get why people make a big deal out of cup cars. Their dynamics are similar to any other car, the rear engine dynamic making more of a difference than being a cup car.
How would you rate your skill level coming into owning the 993 RSR? Of course things are going to happen quicker, the car is a much better chassis than a 73 and the power to weight difference is significant.
My thought is, a good driver(national level winning club racer) should be able to drive any platform quickly. Be it a spec miata or 997 cup.
How would you rate your skill level coming into owning the 993 RSR? Of course things are going to happen quicker, the car is a much better chassis than a 73 and the power to weight difference is significant.
My thought is, a good driver(national level winning club racer) should be able to drive any platform quickly. Be it a spec miata or 997 cup.
Skill level? I was ready to go pro. Seriously though, I was ready for a new challenge I thought, thought I'd gotten all I could out of the 73. boy was I wrong when I stepped back into the 73 two weeks ago.
I see what you're saying, and yes a winning club racer should be able to adapt quickly. I feel sorry for the fool that has only progressed up the PDE schools and steps into the Cup car, it's going to be a rude awakening.
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Wonder what the damage insurance or damage hold is on this school? Gotta think more than a few of these cars will be balled up, barber seems to eat a couple of cars each weekend, let alone a noob in a 997 cup lol
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People think because the shift is in a straight line and they can ignore the clutch a lot of the time that it's simple. It's not really any harder than driving a synchronized gearbox once you learn how to do it, but it's a different skillset that one must acquire to drive these cars well.