A.Wayne

What do you think ? ....

I'm sure you have seen Alonso push , bump, park and attempted to kill others while on track .. No wait .. dat was Faux 7 ....

A.Wayne

Stand back everyone, Pete has theories...................

multi21

Similar to your contributions to RL.

I can't wait for Alonso Nation to come crashing down after coming...... oh so close..... but, yea, less than 0 once again....

Elliot9

Vettel will have a "brake issue" and destroy Alonso's car from behind basically handing Webber the WDC. I'm a Ferrari guy through and through, I have family that live a few miles from the factory, but the reality is they need a miracle to win it this year since Red Bull will do whatever it takes, including wrecking the Ferraris, to win the race.

boxsey911

For the first time this season I've voted for Alonso simply because of a gut feeling that he'll finish off the championship in style with a win.

On a side note, I'm very disappointed how McLaren have gone about this season. They (especially Whitmarsh) seem to have spent too much time moaning about how the Red Bulls have been too fast and trying to find out what the reason for that is, instead of just getting on with the job of improving their own car. Surely, with drivers like Hamilton and Button they had enough information and feedback available to improve it without having to try and copy what RBR were doing? All McLaren seemed to do this season was to make their car king of the straights and they totally forgot that going fast in the twisty bits is where most races are won. I didn't hear the same amount of moaning coming out of the Ferrari camp...and look where they are now!

ltc

The Ferrari at the beginning of the season was a disaster.
Engine power was quickly taken care of via an FIA approved "reliability" upgrade; however, continued development yielded next to nothing.
(anyone remember Ferrari's attempt at an "automatic" F duct?).
The car was an "also ran" out of the top 3 constructors. There were pre-season rumblings that the Ferrari had aero problems from the start.

Newey's car was fast out of the box, suffered early reliablity problems, but was/is still the class of the field from an aero/chassis perspective (even with 50hp or so down on power).

McLaren was expected, as always, to show its late season development power, but around the middle of the season, things changed.

The Ferrari really came into its own and McLaren was fielding bits that really didn't seem to work and they lost their way a bit; almost a mirror image of how the season started.

Perhaps Pat Frye leaving McLaren for Ferrari around the middle of the season had something to do with it?

500

No, the point was simply that Prost's stature was not harmed by being second to his teammate in 1984. That was all.

RajDatta

Pat Fry Pat Fry Pat Fry

It's Fry, not Frye.

Gimme a break. What did Pat Fry's move to Ferrari do for Massa?

Little Info from Wiki:
Ferrari: 2010-present
After his departure from McLaren was announced on May 14, 2010,[6] on June 22, it was announced that Fry was to join the Ferrari team as assistant technical director from July 1.

So lets take a look at how the drivers fared from July 1, which is very aggressive considering we are assuming that he made his impact on day 1!

11 Jul Great Britain Silverstone (1st race after Fry's move to Ferrari)

Felipe Massa Results 2010
Race Date Grid Finish Pts Total pts
Bahrain 14th March 2 2 18.0 18
Australia 28th March 5 3 15.0 33
Malaysia 4th April 21 7 6.0 39
China 18th April 7 9 2.0 41
Spain 9th May 9 6 8.0 49
Monaco 16th May 4 4 12.0 61
Turkey 30th May 8 7 6.0 67
Canada 13th June 6 15 0.0 67
Europe 27th June 5 11 0.0 67
British 11th July 7 15 0.0 67
Germany 25th July 3 2 18.0 85
Hungary 1st August 4 4 12.0 97
Belgium 29th August 6 4 12.0 109
Italy 12th September 3 3 15.0 124
Singapore 26th September 24 8 4.0 128
Japan 10th October 12 ret 0.0 128
Korea 24th October 6 3 15.0 143
Brazil 7th November 9 15 0.0 143

Fernando Alonso Results 2010
Race Date Grid Finish Pts Total pts
Bahrain 14th March 3 1 25.0 25
Australia 28th March 3 4 12.0 37
Malaysia 4th April 19 13 0.0 37
China 18th April 3 4 12.0 49
Spain 9th May 4 2 18.0 67
Monaco 16th May 24 6 8.0 75
Turkey 30th May 12 8 4.0 79
Canada 13th June 3 3 15.0 94
Europe 27th June 4 8 4.0 98
British 11th July 3 14 0.0 98
Germany 25th July 2 1 25.0 123
Hungary 1st August 3 2 18.0 141
Belgium 29th August 10 ret 0.0 141
Italy 12th September 1 1 25.0 166
Singapore 26th September 1 1 25.0 191
Japan 10th October 4 3 15.0 206
Korea 24th October 3 1 25.0 231
Brazil 7th November 5 3 15.0 246

Massa has 67 points to Alonso's 123.
Since then Massa has scored 76 points
In comparison, Alonso has scored 148 points.
That is almost double the points. Even if you were to take away 7 points from Alonso and give them to Massa, he still only scores 83 points in comparison to Alonso's 141.
I guess Fry was also the one driving Alonso's car.

Pretty sad attempt, as always to discredit Alonso's driving.

I guess the senior citizen group would have much preferred Ferrari driver's 5th and 6th in standings (which is where they would have if the teammates were equal in performance).

Another bit of information to look at:

Ferrari Results 2010
Race Date Grid Finish Pts Total pts
Bahrain 14th March 3 & 2 1 & 2 43 43
Australia 28th March 5 & 3 3 & 4 27 70
Malaysia 4th April 21 & 19 7 & 13 6 76
China 18th April 3 & 7 4 & 9 14 90
Spain 9th May 4 & 9 2 & 6 26 116
Monaco 16th May 4 & 24 4 & 6 20 136
Turkey 30th May 8 & 12 7 & 8 10 146
Canada 13th June 3 & 6 3 & 15 15 161
Europe 27th June 4 & 5 8 & 11 4 165
British 11th July 3 & 7 14 & 15 0 165
Germany 25th July 3 & 2 2 & 1 43 208
Hungary 1st August 3 & 4 2 & 4 30 238
Belgium 29th August 6 & 10 4 & ret 12 250
Italy 12th September 1 & 3 1 & 3 40 290
Singapore 26th September 1 & 24 1 & 8 29 319
Japan 10th October 4 & 12 3 & ret 15 334
Korea 24th October 3 & 6 1 & 3 40 374
Brazil 7th November 5 & 9 3 & 15 15 389

Alonso was qualifying very high even prior to Nick Fry move. He qualified 3rd, 5th, 21st (all top team got caught out in Malaysia), 3rd, 4th, 4th, 8th, 3rd, and 4th before July 1. What gives??
In reference, Massa in the same car qualified 2nd, 3rd, 19th, 7th, 9th, 24th, 12, 6th, 5th before July 1st.

Another lame attempt that only helps people see how ignorant some individuals are and no matter how you put it, they will never see it any other way ( I actually hope they are better in person, or else I feel sorry for their loved ones).

This is not an attempt to make the pessimists see it any other way, because they are incapable. This is more for everyone to see that Pat Fry was not the only reason for Ferrari's turn-around. They were actually pretty competitive in Alonso's hands prior to his move.

RajDatta

Gotcha, but was there any bad blood between the two? That is my point. There is a lot of bad blood between Webber and Vettel.

A.Wayne

Yes because he had a WDC for a teammate . If he had lost the 84 title to his previous teammate, Rene Arnoux I'm sure it would have been different ....

Irony: When the officials prematurely stopped the 84 Monaco GP, effectively robbing the rookie Senna of his 84 Monaco victory and instead gave the victory to Prost they unknowingly cost Prost the 84 championship as he was only awarded half points for his victory and ended up losing the 84 championship to Lauda by 1/2 a point ...


Raj:

Lewis would plead guilty to the JFK assignation before saying anything positive about Alonso ...

A.Wayne

LOL.......


Win, lose or draw Alonso is the winner of 2010 ... Now your Hero on the other hand is the big loser of 2010 , slow and dangerous ........Faux7

Let me know when you are ready to ship my bottle biaaaatch ....

Flying Finn

Come on now, there isn't a driver in a grid that in that scenario in Vettel's shoes (Vettel leading, Webber 2nd and Alonso 3rd) that wouldn't let Webber by.
What would he gain by not doing so, obviously in that scenario, you'll let your team mate by because he then wins the WDC.
No team orders needed.

Slightly different than having to let your team mate by in a situation where you're 31 points behind and there are 8 races still to be finished (after Hockenheim, had they let Massa run, he would've been only 24 points behind which is less than 1 win)...

And re: Wayne in Guinnes...

multi21

You know Finn YOUR 100% CORRECT AND is something the FERNANDO ALONSO APOLOGISTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND AND WHY MASSA MADE IT SO CLEAR THAT HE WAS UPSET AND CLEAR THAT HE WAS LETTING ALONSO BY

There was a lot of season left and Massa was not eliminated, but was forced by the team to pull over and give a point by. At that point, they made it known that Massa would never be given a fair shot at the title. In stark contrast to what is happening at Red Bull.

Button: An Alonso title in F1 2010 might leave a bitter taste

Whilst reflecting that he 'doesn't care' who replaces him as F1 World Champion after the Abu Dhabi finale this weekend, McLaren star Jenson Button concedes that a Fernando Alonso victory might not go down well with everyone...
As he prepares to hand his hard-fought drivers' title over to somebody else following the Abu Dhabi season finale in only five days' time, McLaren-Mercedes star Jenson Button has mused that should it be Fernando Alonso who ultimately lifts the F1 2010 laurels, he only hopes the Spaniard does so by 'more than seven points'.

That is an allusion to the German Grand Prix at Hockenheim back in July, when in the controversial and now infamous team orders row, Ferrari was handed down a $100,000 fine from the FIA – but, to the great surprise of most observers, no further penalty in front of the governing body's World Motor Sport Council (WMSC), despite having flagrantly transgressed the rules by manoeuvring Felipe Massa out of the race lead so that team-mate Alonso could triumph.

As a result of that manipulated result, the Spaniard holds an eight-point advantage over Red Bull Racing rival Mark Webber and 15 in-hand over the Australian's team-mate Sebastian Vettel arriving in Abu Dhabi, with Button's own McLaren team-mate Lewis Hamilton similarly still in the reckoning in what is an unprecedented scenario for the sport, but needing to win and hope that none of his three fellow protagonists score at Yas Marina in order to pip them to the post.

Button admits that he fears should Alonso go on to triumph by fewer than the seven points he artificially gained that summer's day in Germany, then the Oviedo native's third world championship success at the highest level will be a tainted one and warns him to expect a backlash from F1 fans.“I don't care,” the 30-year-old Briton is quoted as having said by Reuters, when asked who he would prefer to usurp his crown. “It doesn't make any difference to me. It's exciting that there are those three guys fighting for the championship at the last race. Lewis still has an opportunity, but it's going to be very tough for him.

“I like the way [Red Bull] have let their drivers fight – it's the way it should be. You fight all the way through your career to get into F1, to get into a good car...and you should be given equal opportunities.

“I don't know who will win – it is very close. It's between Mark and Fernando. Fernando is an exceptional driver, [though] some will be disappointed with what happened at Hockenheim and question whether he deserves it. I just hope he wins it by more than seven points.”


Oh the irony of a WDC calling Alonso tainted

RajDatta

Pete, that's ok if Button feels this way.
Hammy and Whitmarsh, both have no issues with it and consider him a legit WDC, if he wins. There will always be people with opinions.
Actually, most drivers don't have an issue with it since they know that every team has team orders. Mark Webber has gone on the record to state this as well.

A.Wayne

Well KImi did tell Alonso how to get Massa to move over, i guess he used it ...

Ironic seeing these moronic faux7 apologist talk about team orders .. what's next on track safety ...


Get over it you know everything and nothing Biaaaatchs you have lost to A.Wayne again .. The spoils will be appreciated as always, a 5 year tradition .......

Saludos!!!!!!